Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Phil1]

It's a farcical situation if Willy stays and Joe goes. You're assuming Joe isn't in the right place mentally but that's not what Pep said.Currently WC holds the number one spot, can't see the benefit in that at all unless it's with the purpose of giving Joe a shake. I think we all know though that Joe is going to be the one to leave however.

It's only farcical in the eyes of those who seem to care more about Hart being upset than they do the good of the team. If Joe goes it's because we've brought in a player to go straight in. Willy won't be starting if that's the case.
There's conflicting reports about regarding Harts state of mind about this. Some are saying he's willing to fight others that he's not taken it well. Who knows what's going on. We will know one way or another before 31st August so for now it's a case of wait and see.

 

[SWP's back]

Although dont agree with calling others simpletons theres something that rings righy with the summation. But there maybe be a bit of everything that has just accumulated into the situation we have now.

Theres no way after all thats been said done and reported even by top brass at the club that Pep has to do anything to prove a point. He basically has free reign to mould the team (and in certain team areas the club) in his own image. I think if Pep wants to make a change (bring someone in or shit can them out) then eventually he will get his way (at least for the foreseeable) even if the management try to persuade him out of it.

What i did notice and my first thoughts watching JH come on at the arse friendly was having spent time reading about playinh out from the back and watching Willy try hus hardest to do just that (bless him but this is the point - he fuckin tried even if it caused him embarassment and even Pep applauded his mistake!) only to see JH come one and try to score rugby tries, punting the ball into touch. I did think it strange. He didnt even look like trying.

I hope he stays and learns adds more strings to his bow. Surely he aims to be one of the world's greats and if he can add new dimensions to his play he could achieve that under Pep. I can only personally say Pep nèeds his keeper to perform in a certain way and for some reason JH is not willing to be that keeper or Pep knows for whatever reason he cant make him into it. Is that attitude? Ego? On JH's part? Either way sumat wasnt right starting at that arse friendly.

The simpletons remark was for those thinking Pep "needs to have a fucking word with himself" as they don't understand that his model of football does not work without keeping control of the ball. And how that method is designed to, first and foremost, stop the opposition scoring. Pep's teams are virtually always the team with least conceded.

Pep will not be having a word with himself over this. Playing the ball out is intrinsic to the game plan.

But yes, I maybe shouldn't have called anyone simpletons, it just frustrates me when people think it's simply a choice of which keeper is better at shot stopping. (And I've been Willy's biggest critic on here)

 

[There is a Light]

It's only farcical in the eyes of those who seem to care more about Hart being upset than they do the good of the team. If Joe goes it's because we've brought in a player to go straight in. Willy won't be starting if that's the case.
There's conflicting reports about regarding Harts state of mind about this. Some are saying he's willing to fight others that he's not taken it well. Who knows what's going on. We will know one way or another before 31st August so for now it's a case of wait and see.

He reacted perfectly last time he was dropped. He didn't seem to hide on Saturday. I think he's big enough to accept it.

 

[Len Rum]

Hart has won us games galore because he made saves bordering on world class on a regular basis.

I think even Joe would be a tad embarrassed at that statement.

 

[Akiva]

He reacted perfectly last time he was dropped. He didn't seem to hide on Saturday. I think he's big enough to accept it.

I think there's too much smoke for there to be no fire, unless you suggest Cheeseman and others are pulling this story out of their collective arses. Why would they?

If he wants to stay and fight for his place, good on him. But if he's staying and causing discord in the dressing room then move him on.

 

[yeseye]

I think even Joe would be a tad embarrassed at that statement.

Didn't Lionel once call him a phenomenal ?

 

[Nails]

The simpletons remark was for those thinking Pep "needs to have a fucking word with himself" as they don't understand that his model of football does not work without keeping control of the ball. And how that method is designed to, first and foremost, stop the opposition scoring. Pep's teams are virtually always the team with least conceded.

Pep will not be having a word with himself over this. Playing the ball out is intrinsic to the game plan.

But yes, I maybe shouldn't have called anyone simpletons, it just frustrates me when people think it's simply a choice of which keeper is better at shot stopping. (And I've been Willy's biggest critic on here)

Hallelujah brother.

 

[There is a Light]

I think there's too much smoke for there to be no fire, unless you suggest Cheeseman and others are pulling this story out of their collective arses. Why would they?

If he wants to stay and fight for his place, good on him. But if he's staying and causing discord in the dressing room then move him on.

And that's fair enough. I hope he is big enough to stay and fight, if he is given the chance to do so.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

We have to build our squad to the Champions League rules. You can't carry on having situations where some players are only allowed to play in the Premier League, it's ridiculous, and there's a reason no club in the world does it.

I kind of agree. Let's assume that Mangala, Nasri & Bony are out of the door, together with Hart being replaced by Bravo. That covers up for the PL as we'd only need to lose 3 foreign players and it'll be those first named three.

However we'd need to lose 5 foreign players from the CL squad, meaning we're 2 short. I'd leave Zinchenko out of the CL squad, meaning we've still another to find. If Kompany or Gundogan's fitness is in doubt then one of those could be the one left out for the group stage then brought back in January, when Iheanacho can go on the B-list. But it does seem daft that we'd put ourselves in a position where we'd need to leave someone out who we'd rather not.

 

[Len Rum]

Didn't Lionel once call him a phenomenal ?

Was that after the Bayern Munich 1-3 home defeat three seasons ago?