Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[goalmole]

I'm sorry but the 4th highest fee paid for a keeper is hardly a steal is it ?

The context of your post was saying we would have been shafted if we had announced Hart was unwanted earlier, I hardly think the fee for the above keeper would have been any different in that scenario.

As for the age which I am guessing you mean from the width analogy, well it does kind of matter, the aches, pains and injuries are never far away the older you get, I know all about that unfortunately.

So 17m for a 33yo is a risk, all transfers are of course, as we are experiencing with Sane.

You obviously know better than the dickheads we've got running the show, and they've obviously got it in for Joe Hart because he's been shagging all their wives, and if they'd have told Hart to get on his bike as soon as the final whistle had blown for the last match of last season, then our Joe, around whom I have recently learned the world revolves, would have been ensconced by now in one of the top goalkeeping jobs in the country if not in Europe, and the goalkeeper that Joe would have displaced would have been snapped up by Barca leaving them desperate to get rid of Bravo or Ter Stegen who we could then have offered to take off their hands for nothing provided they paid their wages for the next five years. So Pep, Txixi et al not having the foresight, wisdom and intelligence to see all this should be fucked off forthwith, the useless cretins. And don't get me started on that idiot in Abu Dhabi...

 

[SWP's back]

The risk would be him not playing rather than monetary but I suspect you knew that is what I meant all along.

You don't think he will play?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It is these kind of comments that are driving the argument on and on, see you have the actual fans that appreciate what having a player spend 10 years at a club and what that means and then we have the likes of you, who for some odd reason just want to belittle a player that has given the best part of his life to play for the club we love, what is actually wrong with you people ?

I support the club and manager and accept that joe has some weaknesses. Distribution, concentration and low to the left. Some are blinkered to that. I am not. Kolorov navas bony get fucking battered on this forum every week why is joe immune. What is it?

I have enjoyed joe and he has been good for 10 years I agree with the her decision he is not improving and its somehow wrong ( and I am not a fan) to be critical of pep or the club just because joe has been dropped? I am the one supporting the club and the manager and you are not....

Nasri, yaya, Denayor and others are having the same treatment but it does not seem to have the same disruption/ Shitstorm. Why is that?

 

[Metalartin]

I support the club and manager and accept that joe has some weaknesses. Distribution, concentration and low to the left. Some are blinkered to that. I am not. Kolorov navas bony get fucking battered on this forum every week why is joe immune. What is it?

I have enjoyed joe and he has been good for 10 years I agree with the her decision he is not improving and its somehow wrong ( and I am not a fan) to be critical of pep or the club just because joe has been dropped? I am the one supporting the club and the manager and you are not....

Nasri, yaya, Denayor and others are having the same treatment but it does not seem to have the same disruption/ Shitstorm. Why is that?

Do you believe the bullshit you type? Whether it's over defensiveness, over sensitiveness or being sycophantic towards Pep understand this:

Giving Joe his dues is not going against Pep or the Club. Some people can see where Pep's coming from and will get over it but are getting fed up of the nonsense being spouted about Harts "level". Cech and Buffon are not keepers known for their footwork or sweeping up at the back, even if they can do a little a bit of it they are nowhere near Neuers level yet they are still definitely top class keepers or they were if you feel like they are getting on a bit. There are different styles of play at some clubs even the elite clubs in Europe(most don't play that way in fact), so there's still a place for excellent keepers who aren't sweeper keepers at the top level.

Peps a grown man he's not bothered if some fans think it would have been better to keep Hart on as number 2 keeper, there's no need to defend him so excessively as I said it's ironic because the way some tell it simply giving Hart due credit(telling it how it is) is what's causing the disruption. He's a great keeper but he's not right for what Pep needs right now he doesn't have the time to teach him that, he needs a keeper that can do it in the present.

The fact is just because he's not right for our NEW system doesn't mean he's not still a top keeper he is champions league level he's proved it on the pitch(everything else said to the contrary is just talk no substance), that's why he's going not because his performances haven't been deemed good enough on the shot stopping. All keepers make mistakes and have lapses in concentration, Joe hasn't been at fault for that many goals in truth we've been lucky to have him more often than not. This low left weakness is being over egged to stupid levels too it might not be his strongest side(all keepers have a strong side) but he's made saves low to his left it's not a case of put it low left and it's a sure fire goal.

Get behind Pep and the Club, I'm doing exactly the same myself, when some make remarks about a player I've seen a lot of over the years that I strongly disagree with and I'll say so as will others who find certain comments to be wide of the mark(it's heated discussion for the most part). The reality most of the arguing isn't about Pep or the club it's about Joe alone most of it, I can't think why anyone would literally turn on Pep or the Club over it whether the decision is right or wrong.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Do you believe the bullshit you type? Whether it's over defensiveness, over sensitiveness or being sycophantic towards Pep understand this:

Giving Joe his dues is not going against Pep or the Club. Some people can see where Pep's coming from and will get over it but are getting fed up of the nonsense being spouted about Harts "level". Cech and Buffon are not keepers known for their footwork or sweeping up at the back, even if they can do a little a bit of it they are nowhere near Neuers level yet they are still definitely top class keepers or the were if you feel like they are getting on a bit. There are different styles of play at some clubs even the elite clubs in Europe, so there's still a place for excellent keepers who aren't sweeper keepers at the top level.

The fact is just because he's not right for our NEW system doesn't mean he's not still a top keeper he is champions league level he's proved it on the pitch(everything else said to the contrary is just talk no substance), that's why he's going not because his performances haven't been deemed good enough on the shot stopping. All keepers make mistakes and have lapses in concentration, Joe hasn't been at fault for that many goals in truth we've been lucky to have him more often than not. This low left weakness is being over egged to stupid levels too it might not be his strongest side(all keepers have a strong side) but he's made saves low to his left it's not a case of put it low left and it's a sure fire goal ffs.

Well he will get a great club in the transfer window to carry on or prove pep wrong and win his place back and everyone's going to be a winner then.

 

[TCIB]

Since you lifted that from my earlier post (without quoting it), I'll respond to the accusation, yes we did certainly need a tougher new boss, the last 2 years have, in hindsight, been far too weak, as was seen by our pitiful end to last season. However, don't go equating what I said to having any support for the odious prick at old trafford, because I would never have been in favour of him being in charge, in fact I'd have sooner had Pearce back than that.

Now back to the subject of Hart, he hasn't been "shafted" or indeed anything similar, a simple decision has been made as to whether he fits the next stage of the clubs development, and its been decided he doesn't, its harsh on Joe, but business and football decisions often are, it sounds from what Ric has previously posted, that he's been aware of it for longer than we have, and unlike the majority of people in employment who get cast aside, Joe will still have decent job, and earn a shit load of money where ever he ends up, good luck to him, and a big thanks for being part of an illustrious City period of history.

Very well said sir!

 

[bluealf]

You obviously know better than the dickheads we've got running the show, and they've obviously got it in for Joe Hart because he's been shagging all their wives, and if they'd have told Hart to get on his bike as soon as the final whistle had blown for the last match of last season, then our Joe, around whom I have recently learned the world revolves, would have been ensconced by now in one of the top goalkeeping jobs in the country if not in Europe, and the goalkeeper that Joe would have displaced would have been snapped up by Barca leaving them desperate to get rid of Bravo or Ter Stegen who we could then have offered to take off their hands for nothing provided they paid their wages for the next five years. So Pep, Txixi et al not having the foresight, wisdom and intelligence to see all this should be fucked off forthwith, the useless cretins. And don't get me started on that idiot in Abu Dhabi...

Please point me in the direction of my post that said we have dickheads running the show or the part where I said they have it in for Hart, I am clueless as to why people have to go down this road with their conversations, there isn't any need.

I said in reply to you saying we would have been shafted, that we quite possibly have been shafted anyways, 17m the 4th or 5th highest fee ever for a keeper and a keeper that is 33yo and lacking the longevity of say Buffon who Juventus got good service out of, with the transfer cost equating to around 2.5m a year over the course of his career with them.

 

[Metalartin]

Well he will get a great club in the transfer window to carry on or prove pep wrong and win his place back and everyone's going to be a winner then.

I hope he does get a good move and continues to be successful it wont be Pep he'll be proving wrong though, Peps said he's a top keeper but he needs a sweeper keeper who can play out from the back, Joe would need to learn that and we can't wait in fairness. Bringing Bravo in is definitely a smart decision, ditching Hart completely? Well if we do right by him finding him a decent club and Willy doesn't let us down... maybe we'll all agree in the end. He'll prove some of the posters here wrong I'm pretty sure though, who keep trying to make it about something else.

 

[sir baconface]

It's not just a case of fan-boys and girls being concerned about Hart's treatment. The episode has caused misgivings to many who value fair dealing rather than winning at all costs. That is the true division on this matter. It mirrors the fact that there were plenty on here 12 months ago who would have been happy to suck Mourinho's dick and plenty who said "no way".

If Joe has shown insubordination in any form, Pep is absolutely right to move him on. If not, there has been a degree of cynicism, not to mention cold and calculated PR.

We don't actually know for sure but the element of doubt has taken some of the shine off early season for me and, I suspect, a few others.

That said this is a mercenary, unforgiving business. If we win the league, Pep will be a hero. If we finish below the rags, he'll get the Bluemoon treatment.

In the meantime, this is an unwelcome and expensive distraction.

 

[bluealf]

You don't think he will play?

Erm the original post you mentions a risk of him becoming more injury prone through the lifespan of his 4 year contract, you then misquoted me and then misquoted me again, please quote me the part where I said he would not be selected to play.

Is reading such hard work on here or is it just more fun to pretend you don't know what another poster means and make the evening more frustrating all round ?

In answer to your question it is fairly obvious who the number one is and he will be playing the vast majority of the games, if he stays fit of course.

Again the reply that kick started you off was to somebody else and it clearly says that a 4 year contract being handed out to a 33yo is a risk, that is all, nothing sinister, nothing malicious intended.