Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[remember arthur mann]

Yeah it's our fault the best manager in football has dropped him. I really hope Pep doesn't lose face too.

Not a chance !

 

[GaudinoMotors]

What are you talking about, defending Pep like I'm going against him? You seem to be missing half the story it's not just football reasons, he's dropped him to the bench for tactical reasons he's not validated any "Hart is not a top keeper" mongers assertions by doing that as much as they want to believe it.


Pep has said himself it's not that he doesn't think Joe can do it, Willy had more time to work on what he's going to demand of them(even Willy isn't up to scratch obviously) that's the reason he's gone with Willy so far that and probably the other none footballing reasons too.

Taking passing, distribution and even supposed attitude concerns completely out of the equation, do you really think his positioning, catching, decision making, athleticism are at the standard Pep requires?
I think there is too much wrong with his game to be simply worked upon.
He's a good keeper but not good enough all round.

 

[hilts]

What I don't get in this whole situation is Pep was announced months ago. It's been well documented that he scouted the players and told the hierarchy the systems he wanted to play and put plans in place for certain players. Hart MUST have been told the way Pep wanted his keepers to play and that he had to adapt or else. So in essence he potentially had SIX months to improve his game
and get wise to Pep's methods.
I'm not saying that this isn't the case and that he hasn't been trying but it either smacks of total ignorance on Hart's part or a lack of communication somewhere as he looks shocked and bewildered by what is happening. I do sympathise with Hart somewhat but I trust Pep any day of the week.

The thing is people are guessing whether it is ability attitude or a mixture of both, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, the manager has decided in good faith not to play him, that is the job that he is being paid handsomely for.

 

[Dave_The_Rave18]

He's a top keeper that's a fact, one of the best in the world(4 time golden glove winner, near man of the match performances in the CL trumps any opinion you might have with something of substance), a better shot stopper than Bravo in fact(probably not much in it and Harts Euros took a bit of gloss off to bring it closer on recent form), one of Bravos weaknesses is he's not the tallest so corners could still be a problem along with the tall imposing Andy Carol, Ibrahimovic type strikers and possibly some long range shots... that's coming from the Barca expert they had on BMRTV who's watched plenty of him.

Some heavy assumptions there mate (no offence).Bravo is 1.85m which is the same as Iker Casillas. Don't recollect him having any problems with long range shots or corners. One of the best shots stoppers I have ever seen TBH.

 

[Metalartin]

Taking passing, distribution and even supposed attitude concerns completely out of the equation, do you really think his positioning, catching, decision making, athleticism are at the standard Pep requires?
I think there is too much wrong with his game to be simply worked upon.
He's a good keeper but not good enough all round.

Positioning is good more often than not, he is prone to switching off which slows his reactions when it happens but it's not his position at fault in fact he is often in the right place(think about the number of one on ones he finds himself in and wins and it shows how much of a myth that is) bar corners which has always been one of the criticisms I've agreed with. That's one of Bravos weaknesses too according to some fans though.

He's never been in bad shape so I don't know why that's an argument.

Catching again not a huge problem and to be honest in Spain they tend to parry more than in the Prem.

Look there's parts to his game he would have to work on but they are more tactical this assertion that his goalkeeping skills are not up to scratch is not supported by anything Pep's said or any rumors support, you're just trying to latch on to it all and pretend Pep agrees with you but he's not validated any of that.

 

[Metalartin]

Some heavy assumptions there mate (no offence).Bravo is 1.85m which is the same as Iker Casillas. Don't recollect him having any problems with long range shots or corners. One of the best shots stoppers I have ever seen TBH.

Not my assumptions though, they are a Barca experts words mate, he's seen more of him than you are I to say.

 

[hilts]

He's a top keeper that's a fact, one of the best in the world(4 time golden glove winner, near man of the match performances in the CL trumps any opinion you might have with something of substance), a better shot stopper than Bravo in fact(probably not much in it and Harts Euros took a bit of gloss off to bring it closer on recent form), one of Bravos weaknesses is he's not the tallest so corners could still be a problem along with the tall imposing Andy Carol, Ibrahimovic type strikers and possibly some long range shots... that's coming from the Barca expert they had on BMRTV who's watched plenty of him.

Think about what you are saying here, pep doesn't think he is good enough but metalartin a city fan thinks he is world class, I'm flummoxed now. Don't know what to think. But as you don't know the meaning of a simple word like fact then I'll go with the manager.

 

[hilts]

Not my assumptions though, they are a Barca experts words mate, he's seen more of him than you are I to say.

So you accept the words of barca experts but not our own ex barca expert? Good logic

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Positioning is good more often than not, he is prone to switching off which slows his reactions when it happens but it's not his position at fault in fact he is often in the right place(think about the number of one on ones he finds himself in and wins and it shows how much of a myth that is) bar corners which has always been one of the criticisms I've agreed with. That's one of Bravos weaknesses too according to some fans though.

He's never been in bad shape so I don't know why that's an argument.

Catching again not a huge problem and to be honest in Spain they tend to parry more than in the Prem.

Look there's parts to his game he would have to work on but they are more tactical this assertion that his goalkeeping skills are not up to scratch is not supported by anything Pep or any rumors support you're just trying to latch on to it and pretend Pep agrees with you he's not validated any of that.

I'm not pretending anything - I've had doubts about Joe for a few seasons now, the fact that Pep may or may not rate him is inconsequential.
Fighting for his place may be a good thing although it's unlikely that will happen now. I genuinely think being England's No1 has affected him adversely as his game seem to be a protectionist approach which conversely leads to errors.

 

[Metalartin]

Think about what you are saying here, pep doesn't think he is good enough but metalartin a city fan thinks he is world class, I'm flummoxed now. Don't know what to think. But as you don't know the meaning of a simple word like fact then I'll go with the manager.

Why don't actually attempt to comprehend what I'm saying though you think you have a direct link to Pep's thinking, he's validated all your personal criticisms of Hart, you the wise knowledgeable Hilts of bluemoon! ;) Well *scoffs* I think you are making a little too many assumptions about the real reasons for Pep's decision to omit Hart but that's just me.