joe hart

[Pingu the Penguin]

He might feel he should have done better, but it was hardly a howler.

The ball comes late through a crowd with pace and bend. Very difficult.

The criticism is ridiculous

Not really "ridiculous"- the ball actually hit him and he didn't keep it out.

 

[BlueTG]

Let's show him we're behind him on Monday, I'm sure he will be more disappointed than anyone.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.

I think Joe would accept that he should have saved it - ofc it would be worse if it'd gone through is legs at 2 miles an hour with him fully sighted. But that's not really the point (and he was also 2nd in the unforced errors category last season). A keeper of his class should have saved it, and it's not the first one in that category over the last year or so. Regardless of all this - and which is my point - he can only benefit from greater competition, can't he?

 

[stonerblue]

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.

I think Joe would accept that he should have saved it - ofc it would be worse if it'd gone through is legs at 2 miles an hour with him fully sighted. But that's not really the point (and he was also 2nd in the unforced errors category last season). A keeper of his class should have saved it, and it's not the first one in that category over the last year or so. Regardless of all this - and which is my point - he can only benefit from greater competition, can't he?

I don't think 'competition' works with keepers. They don't just get dropped because the 2nd choice looks good in training. Generally if the keeper doesn't let in too many soft goals and stays fit he stays 1st choice. The keeper on the bench must wait for either a series of mistakes or an injury to the number 1 before getting his chance.
Keepers just don't get 'rotated'. They could get a cup run from the off (don't mention the final) but they know the score. Waiting and staying fit and sharp is part of their game. Given being one of the 'i want first team football' exceptions.

 

[RandomJ]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

 

[stonerblue]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

whoa whoa whoa there..

plenty supporting Joe here too. Look up

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

So suggesting signing a competitor is scapegoating?

Yes, you're right, this is bluemoon.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

dont understand in this country why people always slate goalkeepers. Hart is the best keeper in england and we are lucky to have him.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

So suggesting signing a competitor is scapegoating?

Yes, you're right, this is bluemoon.

Have you been around football long? I've never heard of any team signing a keeper to compete with the incumbent. They're bought to replace entirely or as back up.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

dont understand in this country why people always slate goalkeepers. Hart is the best keeper in england and we are lucky to have him.

aggggggh i give up!

I wasn't slating him - just saying he should have saved that (and a few more over the last year, given his obvious class)

What I was (and am!) saying is that there should be no sacred cows - he needs competition