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His England place is under threat according to The Telegraph......................

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10246215/Joe-Harts-place-as-Englands-first-choice-goalkeeper-is-under-threat-says-Roy-Hodgson.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... dgson.html</a>
 
Hodgson trying to helpful? Or just feeding the raggies again. I am beginning to hope we don't qualify for the next World Cup just so that sycophantic, corrupt dinosaur gets the boot along with his ratty retinue.
 
blumoon said:
His England place is under threat according to The Telegraph......................

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10246215/Joe-Harts-place-as-Englands-first-choice-goalkeeper-is-under-threat-says-Roy-Hodgson.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... dgson.html</a>
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But Hodgson in all fairness was critical of the following as I said last night :


Hodgson was also critical of the way England failed to close down Morrison when the ball came to the Scot following a corner.
“We defended it poorly. I’m not talking behind people’s backs there. We didn’t do a good enough job in front of him.
"Those balls have got to be blocked. We have to get out quicker. We have to put our body in the way.’’
 
blumoon said:
His England place is under threat according to The Telegraph......................

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10246215/Joe-Harts-place-as-Englands-first-choice-goalkeeper-is-under-threat-says-Roy-Hodgson.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... dgson.html</a>
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no sinecures!
not unless you are called Rooney
 
It's a tricky one for me.

A huge part of being a successful keeper (a bit like a striker really) is confidence. You need to have that mindset to enable you not to be phased by pressure situations so that you can perform at your best.

But it's a fine line be confidence and over-confidence, arrogance and complacency. Step too far and that leads to lack of focus, carelessness and mistakes.

The problem is, how to get the balance right. If you start suggesting to someone that their place is at risk, that heaps pressure on them and can be a destructive thing. Confidence is a fragile beast and is easily lost. If a keeper comes out for every cross thinking "if I make a hash of this, my career is over", then he's hardly likely to perform at his best, is he.

I think Hodgson has played it about right - which I would expect from an experience old pro like he is. He's given Joe a gentle nudge to say his position is not unassailable, but that he's under no immediate pressure. Just enough to keep Joe on his toes without having him shitting himself. I expect Pellegrini's handling will be similarly pollished.
 
Joe is without question one of the best keepers around , like each and everyone of us he has moments he could have dealt with better , but unlike most of us its very public. Those who seem to have an agenda to criticize Joe , have you forgotten the stunning performances he has so often produced and simply focused on the poor ones ?. Joe deserves our support as he always gives his best and at times mistakes will happen and when they do he shows it hurts , what he doesnt need is his confidence challenged by a hurtful comment , everyone responds better to positive words .
 
I've got a lot of time for Joe and I think the "showtime" type comments are misplaced. Simply put he's a world class goalkeeper who is young and will occasionally make mistakes. He's no more or less high profile than his England peers. It's just an easy stick to beat him with.
 
BillyShears said:
I've got a lot of time for Joe and I think the "showtime" type comments are misplaced. Simply put he's a world class goalkeeper who is young and will occasionally make mistakes. He's no more or less high profile than his England peers. It's just an easy stick to beat him with.
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Joe's not 'world class' just yet. He certainly has the potential to be and I'm certain that given time he will be. However, but not right now.
It's amazing that not so long along the 'clueless one' was ready to off load him for peanuts.
It was Mancini who had faith in him and picked him over Shay Given. The rest is history as they say.
 
TGR said:
BillyShears said:
I've got a lot of time for Joe and I think the "showtime" type comments are misplaced. Simply put he's a world class goalkeeper who is young and will occasionally make mistakes. He's no more or less high profile than his England peers. It's just an easy stick to beat him with.
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Joe's not 'world class' just yet. He certainly has the potential to be and I'm certain that given time he will be. However, but not right now.
It's amazing that not so long along the 'clueless one' was ready to off load him for peanuts.
It was Mancini who had faith in him and picked him over Shay Given. The rest is history as they say.
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If Joe Hart is not world class, then nobody is world class or what I presume you mean by world class.

Joe Hart is the best keeper in the premier league but there have been this rather mysterious or peculiar negativity towards him by the media and this naturally permeates to the general public. Even during the title winning year, there were folks in the media and the public that wanted to spin his performances and attributes by labeling him as cocky or arrogant.

As I said it is a very strange attitude towards Hart, strange because England tend to put most of the so called stars on a podium and worship them regardless of anything else but it seems that the system so to speak has rejected Joe Hart for whatever reason.

Notwithstanding, He is the best keeper in the league and I personally think he is the best in the world. People tend to look over the fence and conclude that the green is definitely greener, perhaps they cannot come to terms to the fact that the best keeper around is from Shrewbery which is not in line with the believe that the best has to come from Iberia, Italy or Germany.

Every keeper makes mistakes but Joe's talent and record is obvious to those that are willing or able able to see it.

But as I said it is quite strange (or interesting) and I will keep observing to see how it things turn out in terms of the media and public perception of Joe Hart.

Did he offend anybody in the past or?..
 
Well said Blueband Brother , had thought it a peculiarity only to City fans in the way in which Joe was hero one game liability next game. Not sure what some people expect, perfection would not be enough for some . I hope that Joe is not affected by these people and there destructive comments but it must chip away at his confidence ,
 
Blueband Brother said:
pudge said:
Cech is the best keeper in the league
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Nope, Joe is the best in the league. Cech was the best at one time but not anymore.
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In your opinion, Joe made twice as many errors as Cech last season
 
kit's blue said:
Well said Blueband Brother , had thought it a peculiarity only to City fans in the way in which Joe was hero one game liability next game. Not sure what some people expect, perfection would not be enough for some . I hope that Joe is not affected by these people and there destructive comments but it must chip away at his confidence ,
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His confidence does seem to be suffering at the moment but Pellegrini will know how to handle that.
 
Pudge I respect your opinion and cant debate the faults issue as I didnt see enough of Cech to argue , but would you do a straight swap Cech for Hart ? I honestly cant think of any other goalkeeper world wide i would swap hart for .
 
pudge said:
Blueband Brother said:
pudge said:
Cech is the best keeper in the league
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Nope, Joe is the best in the league. Cech was the best at one time but not anymore.
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In your opinion, Joe made twice as many errors as Cech last season
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But that does not mean that Cech is better, Joe definitely made some errors last season and there was a lot of focus and negativity on that aspect despite the fact that his clean sheet and the team overall defensive record was still the best.
 
kit's blue said:
Pudge I respect your opinion and cant debate the faults issue as I didnt see enough of Cech to argue , but would you do a straight swap Cech for Hart ? I honestly cant think of any other goalkeeper world wide i would swap hart for .
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Of course not.

Joe has the potential to be one of, if not the best.
 
Blueband Brother said:
pudge said:
Blueband Brother said:
Nope, Joe is the best in the league. Cech was the best at one time but not anymore.
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In your opinion, Joe made twice as many errors as Cech last season
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But that does not mean that Cech is better, Joe definitely made some errors last season and there was a lot of focus and negativity on that aspect despite the fact that his clean sheet and the team overall defensive record was still the best.
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Clean sheets are as big an indicator of your defenders, if not more so, than your goalkeeper.

Cech saved 77% of his shots to Joe's 70% while making 44 more saves in total and conceding only 2 more. He also caught 23 more crosses whilst missing the same as Joe (3).

Joe has the potential but Cech is still in his prime
 
I am pretty disgusted with Joes treatment on here and elsewhere. Hodgsons singling out of him is somewhat surreal, seems he accepts below average performances from most of his squad and stays silent yet for some reason Joe is highlighted for special mention.
If its on the agenda to destroy our best ever goalkeeper then all I can say is keep up with this nonsense. Doesn't anyone remember what Joe Corrigan went through. Seems strange that this is happening when we are remembering Bert Trautman.
 
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