joe hart

[stonerblue]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

 

[rogdogblue]

Joe is custodian at a bad time. As long as he doesn't let his England traumas affect his club form we'll be OK.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

 

[BlueTG]

In terms of bench warming, we're happy to have 4 top strikers tho - and have paid 20 mill plus for all of them

I think Joe is a great keeper, but IMHO his performance level is dropping and I do think he needs a bit of bushing, erm, pushing

You can have 1,2 or 3 playing at any one time. It's also more knackering playing up front than in goal, especially as we attack a lot, so strikers need rest more often than goalkeepers. Also because there is more option to play more than one of them, they know they will get game time, where as if there is a preferred keeper, how many substitute keepers get to come off the bench or step in whilst the first choice get's a rest?

More often than not, the defence of the team needs to be consistent and often the same to form understanding and a solid defence, and sometimes it is good to change up the attack as it gives us more options and catches the opposition out.

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

But then we have someone who wants out. For example, I don't think Fraser Forster or Alex McCarthy would consider moving to us, because if they fail, they've wasted years playing time. A goalkeeper's position is a hard one to cover. When I played as my teams number one, many good keepers came to join us, and left because they only played the odd friendly and tournament. I think it's similar at the top level. You have your preferred who is obviously at a good level, then those willing to sit on the bench are often not as good.

One or the other has to play, as you said no chopping and changing. Then one will leave, and it leaves us with only one quality keeper again. It would cycle that way unless one is willing to sit and not play regularly

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

You can have 1,2 or 3 playing at any one time. It's also more knackering playing up front than in goal, especially as we attack a lot, so strikers need rest more often than goalkeepers. Also because there is more option to play more than one of them, they know they will get game time, where as if there is a preferred keeper, how many substitute keepers get to come off the bench or step in whilst the first choice get's a rest?

More often than not, the defence of the team needs to be consistent and often the same to form understanding and a solid defence, and sometimes it is good to change up the attack as it gives us more options and catches the opposition out.

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

But then we have someone who wants out. For example, I don't think Fraser Forster or Alex McCarthy would consider moving to us, because if they fail, they've wasted years playing time. A goalkeeper's position is a hard one to cover. When I played as my teams number one, many good keepers came to join us, and left because they only played the odd friendly and tournament. I think it's similar at the top level. You have your preferred who is obviously at a good level, then those willing to sit on the bench are often not as good.

I hear what you're saying, and I appreciate that keepers are a bit of a special case (as one myself!) but the alternative is just to throw your hands up and say "ok, lets just not worry about it and stick with pants". I think that's a bit complacent. You also dont get someone wanting out straight away either. The new guy you bring in and say its a fair fight for the job (which he'd have to appreciate might take a season - for which he'd be more than fairly remunerated for I'd bet!) and you hope that if he was dislodged (which is far from a given) Joe would work double hard to get his shirt back .

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

He's still young and still learning but there isn't a keeper that's ever lived that didn't make the odd gaffe or howler.
Age wise he's got to be one of the best in the world and we should be doing everything in our power to keep him at the club. Start fucking him about and we really could come unstuck.
He might not be the best but he's not far off.

 

[Blue and Proud]

Top keeper there's no doubt, however he does still have a weakness in shot stopping to his left and poor accuracy in kicking long. Improve these areas and he'll be the perfect keeper.

 

[Marvin]

He might feel he should have done better, but it was hardly a howler.

The ball comes late through a crowd with pace and bend. Very difficult.

The criticism is ridiculous

 

[BlueTG]

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

But then we have someone who wants out. For example, I don't think Fraser Forster or Alex McCarthy would consider moving to us, because if they fail, they've wasted years playing time. A goalkeeper's position is a hard one to cover. When I played as my teams number one, many good keepers came to join us, and left because they only played the odd friendly and tournament. I think it's similar at the top level. You have your preferred who is obviously at a good level, then those willing to sit on the bench are often not as good.

I hear what you're saying, and I appreciate that keepers are a bit of a special case (as one myself!) but the alternative is just to throw your hands up and say "ok, lets just not worry about it and stick with pants". I think that's a bit complacent. You also dont get someone wanting out straight away either. The new guy you bring in and say its a fair fight for the job (which he'd have to appreciate might take a seasons - for which he'd be more than fairly remunerated for I'd bet!) and you hope that if he was dislodged (which is afar from a given) Joe would work double hard to get his shirt back .

I know what you are getting at, but especially today, it is less likely to happen. I think personally for the time being, Pellegrini should have a word with him, make sure he has the support and training required and hopefully watch him shine again. It depends on the type of guy he is, and the type of manager Pellegrini is. A quiet, confident word in his ear might go a long way with him, where as shunning him or just bringing in someone else might make the matter worse.

What is good though, is that we know what he is capable of, so if it's still not there part way through this coming campaign, then we should look at bringing reinforcements in, in January IMO

 

[stonerblue]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.