joe hart

[kenzie115]

Joe is not alone as a player seriously out of form - you can say that about the rest of the defence - without exception. Joe's bads just stand out more.

Kolarov?<br /><br />-- Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:42 pm --<br /><br />

Remember he is the last line of defence and if another player makes a mistake it can be rectified by someone else on the field. Only rarely does someone save Joe!!

This is true of all goalkeepers though, how many others are making point-costing mistakes on such a regular basis?

Hart knows he's the last line of defence and as such needs to be a lot more considerate in his decision making. None of us want him to play poorly and continue making mistakes, we all want him to recapture his best form, but at the moment the best thing for Manchester City football club is if he's not in the team, in my opinion of course.

 

[Wrighty Wrexham]

Thought he would have been dropped for the Everton game!
Surly Pants must now be given a run out (bad choice of words!!) until he drops a clanger!

 

[CatMan]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

 

[cibaman]

Sorry if it's been mentioned,I remember laughing at Joe Corrigan in his early days,every time he made a mistake he was punished,City left him out for a while and he came back a much much better keeper.
I believe Hart could do with a rest ,not physically ,mentally,another couple of bollocks ( and it can happen anytime to any keeper) and it could destroy him.
He's England's best keeper by a country mile ,but needs a rain check,tbf Roy Keane was right.

Corrigan said that what helped him to change things round was playing.

He said he was fortunate that he managed to get a run of what he called "quiet" games, with not a great deal to do. We didn't win them all, some turgid 0-0 draws and a few defeats. But all of the goals he conceded were of the unstoppable type where he couldn't be blamed. After about 10 games he lost the fear of playing, became more confident. Then he had a couple of very good games and went on to become a top goalkeeper.

I cant see how a goalkeeper can re-gain confidence by sitting on the bench. Leaving Hart out might give time to work on some technical flaws, but the next time he's picked he'll be a nervous wreck.

 

[Gordyola]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

Absolutely spot on, post of the thread

IMHO Ive always thought that he is overated mainly due to be an English keeper and yes he has played well and saved us on occasions but the number of points we have dropped due to the issues outlined above are numerous each season I would like to see Iker Casillas as our keeper with Alex McCarthy as a back-up

 

[The Chief]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

These are long-term problems and it makes me wonder just what his coaches are being paid for. He's always too slow to come off his line when he should come and likewise is always too eager to rush out when not necessary. He's either not learning or is simply being coached poorly.

The potential's still there but he really needs to get his head screwed on and that's why he needs a period out and some focus on his shortcomings.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

Hart is number 1. One mistake, 2 mistake, 3 mistakes don't ruin a keeper.

 

[Len Rum]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

Also he doesn't have the ability to make great reflex saves like Krull, Mignolet and others and is susceptible to long range shots into the bottom corners. Some Blues are in denial here but I think a tipping point was reached on Sunday and that we will go for a new keeper in the transfer window.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

Also he doesn't have the ability to make great reflex saves like Krull, Mignolet and others and is susceptible to long range shots into the bottom corners. Some Blues are in denial here but I think a tipping point was reached on Sunday and that we will go for a new keeper in the transfer window.

Nothing wrong with his reflex saves - but agree with the rest of these points. At the level we are at -100% concentration is essential as is the necessity to housekeep his area and read problem situations a lot better than he does.

 

[DaveRave18]

Hart is number 1. One mistake, 2 mistake, 3 mistakes don't ruin a keeper.

So how many mistakes will take it to convince you he is seriously under performing? Cause if he keeps going as he has been for last few months than you will be talking 20,30 -40 mistakes ....

 

[Anonymous]

Nothing wrong with his reflex saves - but agree with the rest of these points. At the level we are at -100% concentration is essential as is the necessity to housekeep his area and read problem situations a lot better than he does.

We've discussed this before GM ... what do you think is the right thing to do with Joe ... bring in a genuine number 1 and sell him ... or bring in competition ?

For me and I said this yesterday ... the club have a big call to make. I don't think Joe can be number 2 at City, or even perceived to have his place under threat. The hoopla because of his position in the England set up would be too great. Personally I'd be looking to either back him fully, or replace him next summer and let him move to a club where he'll be the undisputed number 1.

 

[Len Rum]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

Also he doesn't have the ability to make great reflex saves like Krull, Mignolet and others and is susceptible to long range shots into the bottom corners. Some Blues are in denial here but I think a tipping point was reached on Sunday and that we will go for a new keeper in the transfer window.

Nothing wrong with his reflex saves - but agree with the rest of these points. At the level we are at -100% concentration is essential as is the necessity to housekeep his area and read problem situations a lot better than he does.

He's good at one on ones not reflex saves. As I said compare him with Krul and Mignolet when it comes to reflexes. But I agree with you on the focus and housekeeping aspects of his goalkeeping.

 

[Super David Silva 21]

Just thought i'd listen to 606 from Sunday.

Ian Wright putting not all the blame on Joe.

Thinking about it if Hart has shouted to leave it then Nasty really should have left it.

I don't bloody know.

 

[levets]

Nothing wrong with his reflex saves - but agree with the rest of these points. At the level we are at -100% concentration is essential as is the necessity to housekeep his area and read problem situations a lot better than he does.

We've discussed this before GM ... what do you think is the right thing to do with Joe ... bring in a genuine number 1 and sell him ... or bring in competition ?

For me and I said this yesterday ... the club have a big call to make. I don't think Joe can be number 2 at City, or even perceived to have his place under threat. The hoopla because of his position in the England set up would be too great. Personally I'd be looking to either back him fully, or replace him next summer and let him move to a club where he'll be the undisputed number 1.

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He is the undisputed No 1 here!

 

[Ell-ano]

i am a massive fan of Joe and didnt want him dropped but that goal against Chelsea was 100% his fault, i think he needs a rest, mistakes are becoming to frequent and taking over him every game, every time i watch now i'm hoping he doesnt drop another clanger, we shouldnt be doing this, i think its time he had a little time out and gather himself and bring him back in for the CSKA game

 

[cibaman]

Nothing wrong with his reflex saves - but agree with the rest of these points. At the level we are at -100% concentration is essential as is the necessity to housekeep his area and read problem situations a lot better than he does.

We've discussed this before GM ... what do you think is the right thing to do with Joe ... bring in a genuine number 1 and sell him ... or bring in competition ?

For me and I said this yesterday ... the club have a big call to make. I don't think Joe can be number 2 at City, or even perceived to have his place under threat. The hoopla because of his position in the England set up would be too great. Personally I'd be looking to either back him fully, or replace him next summer and let him move to a club where he'll be the undisputed number 1.

I agree. I think the biggest risk is that Costel will come in and not be any better. We'll then be under pressure in January to buy whoever is available. End up with an inadequate new keeper and two back ups with no confidence. I can see Hart being Arsenal's keeper next season.

 

[leighton]

Pants deserves a run. I would play Hart back into form be it in the League Cup and Champions League games once we have got the number of points needed. Time for him to look at his mistakes and this is a time that he needs to come back stronger.

 

[Anonymous]

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He is the undisputed No 1 here!

My point is he won't be if we bring in someone like Begovic or Valdes.

 

[squirtyflower]

Personally I'd give Pants the nod until Spurs come a calling

 

[Anonymous]

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