joe hart

[Bottomless_Sailor]

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1st goal is uncanny

 

[levets]

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He is the undisputed No 1 here!

My point is he won't be if we bring in someone like Begovic or Valdes.

I'm certain that will not happen!

He will be helped and coached back to the level he was at previously

 

[Skashion]

Anyone who thinks Hart's problems are down to form rather than inherent flaws in technique is mistaken.

There are numerous examples spoken and shown already so I am loathed to add more however it is clear he is completely clueless on when or when not to come out of his box to clear and when we face set piece deliveries into our box he all too often gets involved shoving away nearby forwards which leaves him distracted and flat footed.

Considering the long ball over the top and the Set Piece deliveries are probably the only way Shit teams can threaten us then having these flaws in his game make Joe pretty vulnerable.

We know he can get in the way of shots, there is no disputing that. However it's not often that the opposition will pin us back and pepper our goal such as Dortmund did last year. In short we need a goalkeeper who can deal with the situations that arise from the opposition playing percentage football and sadly Joe neither has the core skills or concentration to be that man.

It's a shame for him of course, and no doubt the Hart lovers on here will say I am talking crap however a quick glance at goals scored by Notts County FA Cup, Wigan Cup Final and Cardiff over the last 3 seasons will show his difficulties in commanding his area during set pieces.

With regard to his woeful judgement of dashing from his box well you can choose just about any game you fancy of late!

Oh, almost forgot, his distribution is slow and often inaccurate, and his persistence with waiting for the opposition forward to close him right down before kicking it is bizarre and it can only be a matter of time before he fucks one of those up too.

There isn't such a thing as a flawless keeper and Joe Hart is still young for a keeper. Keepers can be great well into their thirties as Van der Sar reminded us constantly. Whilst you correctly point out a number of flaws in his game it doesn't really account for the fact that in the 11/12 season he was the best keeper in the league with the best saves to shots ratio. He was also extremely impressive in the two years before that, remember Spurs in 10/11 season - one of the best keeping performances I have ever seen, and was named goalkeeper of the year by his fellow professionals for his performances at Birmingham in 09/10. He hasn't lost that ability. Whether it's confidence or fatigue, both, I don't know but I do know it isn't that the flaws in his game have led to a substantial decline in how many saves he makes. The 'inherent' flaws in his game i.e. distribution and set pieces have always been there, whilst judgement issues are usually a confidence problem. Given that Joe Hart is only 26, he could easily be a class keeper for ten years, being the best keeper in the league despite his flaws - perhaps even getting better and the flaws fading. Giving up on him because he has flaws and has been off his best for a year or so is not a good idea in my opinion.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I'm for sticking with Joe just like I was for sticking with Vinnie when he was getting dogs abuse on here from some last season.
A lot of people calling for Joe to be dropped are probably the same who are happy for us to finish in the top.3 ot 4 in a transitional season. If so then surely Joe's a better bet to achieve that for us than Panti.
Dropping Joe now for Panti is a huge gamble in my opinion. The top of the sort of slippery slope Arsenal found themselves on if you like.

 

[BosnianDiamond]

Bring in Begovic to replace Hart so we can double the Bosnian membership here on Bluemoon :))))

 

[Ik.ben.blue]

Pants iv got a millioin on.. will do ok given a chance

 

[Anonymous]

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He is the undisputed No 1 here!

My point is he won't be if we bring in someone like Begovic or Valdes.

I'm certain that will not happen!

He will be helped and coached back to the level he was at previously

Which is the side of the fence I'm leaning towards. I just think Sunday's mistake was so high profile and in such an important game, that I've little doubt behind the scenes at City there will be some concern about what to do.

 

[ono]

Time to be called to account, Mr Hart. Stick on a few videos, both negative and positive, and ask him to explain his actions, whether that be to the goalkeeping coach or to the manager. If he admits his mistake with some of the clangers, then this can be worked on. However, if he maintains that it was someone else's fault for his rushes of blood, then there is a serious problem, whether that be over-confidence, ego or what. Compare the good saves with the gaffs - what decision-making process did he go through to choose one response over the other? (I'm aware that there's little time to make a decision, but other professionals manage to choose the right response!)

For me, Joe seems to have lost a lack of situational awareness and reading of the game. Some of his one-on-one, 'let's make a starfish-shape', have worked in the past, but many now seem to be a panic reaction and a crossing of the proverbial fingers, rather than a decent keeper's reaction. Is he actually closing his eyes? There's been so much discussion about Chelsea's second goal, but where was his anticipation that didn't even seem to see Schürrle's approach until after the ball was on its way in to the net? (I'm writing this based on one viewing on the telly, as I was too livid to watch any replays.)

Right. That was my two-penn'orth.

Its been pointed out to me over the past few years that he actually does close his eyes in one on one situations when closed down , not all the time but quite often . How do you react properly ?

Everyone closes their eyes in that situation. But it won't be for long enough for it affect anything. It's just a natural reaction in the same way that Floyd Mayweather will blink as a punch flies past his face.

 

[dadnlad]

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Ian Cheesmans view to which I tend to agree

 

[bluemoonmatt]

bit.ly/17qhdtv

Ian Cheesmans view to which I tend to agree

Me to but I think he needed to add eenybit.lo/69tikwana

 

[Scareye]

I honestly believe dropping him now would be a blow he would never recover from. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and I can't see that improving by benching him and the media bollocks that will follow.
Stick with him, get behind him and he will come good again.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

I honestly believe dropping him now would be a blow he would never recover from. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and I can't see that improving by benching him and the media bollocks that will follow.
Stick with him, get behind him and he will come good again.

Im sticking with Joe too, at least in so much that we keep him and nurture him back. He needs dropping though, if it turns our to be a blow he never recovers from then he certainly ain't the keeper either of us think he is and rate. He needs reminding he isn't irreplacable. I firmly believe Joe will recover and become the best keeper not only in this country but the world. I do think this is a drop in form and or confidence, and with the kind of 'holistic' coach we have in place now he will get the right support.

Its worth pointing out that he is the last line of defence, one that worked to zonal system which unless I'm utterly devoid of football knowledge we no longer appear to operate to. Out of all the defensive positions I firmly believe a GK is likely to be the slowest to adapt purely because he see's a ball floating into an area which he has been told is covered, he is then in two minds knowing that now it isn't (crap explanation I know) - Anyway stick with Joe but rest him for his own good for a few weeks is my belief.

 

[kanovic]

I honestly believe dropping him now would be a blow he would never recover from. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and I can't see that improving by benching him and the media bollocks that will follow.
Stick with him, get behind him and he will come good again.

We have been sticking with him for about a year and a half and he has not cut the errors out. Why keep playing someone that costs us points?

 

[Blue Til Death]

I honestly believe dropping him now would be a blow he would never recover from. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and I can't see that improving by benching him and the media bollocks that will follow.
Stick with him, get behind him and he will come good again.

He is employed as a goalkeeper, he is not performing adequately at the moment, Im fed up with hearing about his confidence levels etc. If we don't perform at work we get fired, he gets dropped. I like Joe and agree that he is a good keeper, he's not on form though and how would you feel if you were sat on the bench watching Joe at the moment if you were CP.
I hope he is dropped and Pants given a chance, he will be back but not if he's wrapped in cotton wool and allowed to under perform without any consequences.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

I honestly believe dropping him now would be a blow he would never recover from. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and I can't see that improving by benching him and the media bollocks that will follow.
Stick with him, get behind him and he will come good again.

We have been sticking with him for about a year and a half and he has not cut the errors out. Why keep playing someone that costs us points?

Be fair Kanovic, he hasnt been shit, for 18 months, 18 months ago we all thought the sun shone out of his rear, its only back end of last season he went from god to average and this season from average to devil incarnate

 

[2bluejacko]

pants will play against newcastle and i am confident he will do a job...he is good enough whatever people outside the club say. It will be up to joe to win his place back but i am confident in whoever plays... my own view on sunday was that nasty was partly to blame( letting it bounce and not talking ) but i was also thinking that once he had headed it joe should have took the red and handled it outside the box thus more or less guaranteeing the point we fully deserved

 

[cibaman]

pants will play against newcastle and i am confident he will do a job...he is good enough whatever people outside the club say. It will be up to joe to win his place back but i am confident in whoever plays... my own view on sunday was that nasty was partly to blame( letting it bounce and not talking ) but i was also thinking that once he had headed it joe should have took the red and handled it outside the box thus more or less guaranteeing the point we fully deserved

How would Joe win his place back? Other than by Costel losing it.

 

[bluesimon]

There is no wrong or right for Joe at the moment. He is young, but is he complacent? He has little in the way of competition at the club or internationally and therefore is a bit arrogant about thinking he is undropable? All the arguments appear to be valid. No one knows if Pants would be a genuinely credible alternative coz he has not been given a decent run - apart from the cup run last season and despite doing ok, was dropped for the final.

So, until there is a credible alternative, it is really a case of looking where improvements can be made. Joe is without doubt one of the best shot stoppers around, though there is some question market about his ability when it comes to shots along the ground immediately to his left or right - as clearly exposed against Bayern. One howling area of discontent for me is Joe's general distribution. If you compared him to Cech on Sunday, Cech kept on delivering pinpoint kicks and throws time and time again whilst Joe was all over the place - as he has been for along time. Part of the problem may well be that i notice that many of the better sides against us always press really high and when the opposition goalie has the ball, they have 3 players right up making sure that a simple roll out to our defenders is out of the question - leaving little option apart from booting the ball up the pitch and then, unless I am mistaken, there appears to be some reluctance for many of our midfield to engage in a jumping match, leaving the opposition a simple case of being able to control and then distributing the ball.

But irrespective of the policy, Joe's distribution is terrible and he appears to have little in the way of vision or contribution to see the opportunity.

My view is give Pants a run of the next 3-4 games at least. Joe's confidence must be totally shot at the moment and has been consistently battered for the past 2 months. Trying to just carry on blustering through this problem without taking time out to look at the real issues is a mistake and the danger is that the loss of confidence could become endemic in his mind. Who knows - Pants could be great and show that he is serious competition for Joe. If he is, then fantastic. If not, then Joe will have had a couple of weeks to regroup a d bit champing at the bit to get back involved and we then have to go out in the next window and get a solid back up.

 

[city 'til i cry]

Anyone using the I'd get sacked from my job analogy I would venture is not under the same pressure and scrutiny as a premier league and international player and therefore talking shite.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

I honestly believe dropping him now would be a blow he would never recover from. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and I can't see that improving by benching him and the media bollocks that will follow.
Stick with him, get behind him and he will come good again.

Bollocks, blow he will never recover from my arse. If he's that precious then God help us. Play Pantilimon for a bit, let Hart concentrate on his game with the coaches away from the spotlight then throw him back in for Spurs at home and tell him to restore some faith or somebody big is coming in January to put a rocket up your arse.