joe hart

[Skashion]

Pellegrini joins Bluemoon witch hunt against Joe Hart shocker.

 

[George Hannah]

None of those was completely down to Joe - he maybe could have done better but the main fault lay with Nasty at Chelsea, Nasty at Villa and Zabba at Cardiff. I'm not saying Joe hasn't made other big mistakes this season which cost goals, such as against Bayern and against Scotland (and he's made plenty of others that haven't) but in terms of the league those 3 don't qualify IMO.

I'm sorry but this really is the definition of burying your head in the sand. I am as big a fan of Joe as anyone but to try to dismiss these as not his fault is simply not accepting the problem. How are you ever supposed to fix something if you don't acknowledge that it is broken in the first place?

Yeah I agree ... it takes a special kind of love for Joe to say that Chelsea's winner was anything but his own fault!

Ian Cheeseman got it spot on - Nasty ignored Joe's call but still had the opportunity to have cleared it. 100% his error.

 

[Always Ali]

I'm sorry but this really is the definition of burying your head in the sand. I am as big a fan of Joe as anyone but to try to dismiss these as not his fault is simply not accepting the problem. How are you ever supposed to fix something if you don't acknowledge that it is broken in the first place?

Yeah I agree ... it takes a special kind of love for Joe to say that Chelsea's winner was anything but his own fault!

Ian Cheeseman got it spot on - Nasty ignored Joe's call but still had the opportunity to have cleared it. 100% his error.

Then Cheesman got it wrong! Hart was very,very close to Nasty when he called for it, there was no way he could have ducked out of heading it back...100% Joe harts error as there was absolutely no fucking need for him to be out at the edge of his area!

 

[squirtyflower]

Yeah I agree ... it takes a special kind of love for Joe to say that Chelsea's winner was anything but his own fault!

Ian Cheeseman got it spot on - Nasty ignored Joe's call but still had the opportunity to have cleared it. 100% his error.

Then Cheesman got it wrong! Hart was very,very close to Nasty when he called for it, there was no way he could have ducked out of heading it back...100% Joe harts error as there was absolutely no fucking need for him to be out at the edge of his area!

TBH, even if he did call for it, what the fuck was he going to do when he's come charging OUT OF HIS AREA and no where near the flight of the ball?

100% joe's fault

 

[Phil1]

I'm sorry but this really is the definition of burying your head in the sand. I am as big a fan of Joe as anyone but to try to dismiss these as not his fault is simply not accepting the problem. How are you ever supposed to fix something if you don't acknowledge that it is broken in the first place?

Yeah I agree ... it takes a special kind of love for Joe to say that Chelsea's winner was anything but his own fault!

Ian Cheeseman got it spot on - Nasty ignored Joe's call but still had the opportunity to have cleared it. 100% his error.

Nasty was already in the process of heading it when Joe shouted. Ian cheeseman is as wrong as yourself on this so he hasn't got it spot on at all. The goal came from Harts initial hesitation when the ball was in the air. He was looking at it straight on, he had chance to see Torres chasing down, he had plenty of time to see Nasty was comfortably ahead of him and was going to be first to the ball.
A keeper at the top of his game would have been talking to his defender whilst the ball was still in the air. What Joe did was come forward, stop, look terrified for a split second before rushing out shouting "keepers" giving Nasty no other alternative. The only thing Nasty could have done which may have prevented the goal would have been to put more power on the header leaving Torres with no chance and the ball going for a corner.
Hart stays on his 6 yard box and we don't have this discussion.
What I would agree with is Hart is our best keeper. That's not good enough when you're suffering a crisis of confidence. A steady goalkeeper who has the ability to control the 18 yard box and take pressure off his back four should always play in front of somebody who's capable of brilliance but off his game. It's too important a position to hope that things improve themselves. A little bit of time away from the limelight won't harm him if he's willing to show the hunger to get things right.

 

[Blue Til Death]

I like Joe but If I am honest I hope he does not get another game this season, that would mean Pants is playing great and we win the PL.. Sorry but the club comes first.. ps I thought pants played a blinder on Saturday..

 

[Rolee]

I like Joe but If I am honest I hope he does not get another game this season, that would mean Pants is playing great and we win the PL.. Sorry but the club comes first.. ps I thought pants played a blinder on Saturday..

Fair point except for the blinder bit, how do you play a blinder when you've fuck all to do?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

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I have never seen this geoge post before... and I already think hes dug himself a hole with the majority of posters on here... end of the day despite who you are and what your job is if you do what your supposed to do poorly then you disserve to be dropped or in the real world taken to a disciplinary and try harder at training... that's just how the world goes unfortunately

it may be currently unfashionable on bluemoon to prefer Hart in nets to Panty - so be it - I'd rather be in my hole than yours

-- Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:22 pm --

who can forget the charity shield half way line mistake with I think kolo when nani was able to break free and score in a open net :(

your powers of observation rival JMW lol

No-one made reference to Joe being in the departure lounge, you just twisted it that way so you could carry on your spiel.

FWIW I think that CS mistake was Vinnie's.

However, watching it again Joe goes with his feet, which he seems to do a bit, which makes his actual body smaller and thus Nani has more opportunity to go round him, if he'd gone with his hands I think he could have got something to it.

 

[Wrighty Wrexham]

We would be second in the league now if it wasnt for that howler against Chelsea.

Let alone the ones against Villa and Cardiff we would be top!

 

[Blue Til Death]

I like Joe but If I am honest I hope he does not get another game this season, that would mean Pants is playing great and we win the PL.. Sorry but the club comes first.. ps I thought pants played a blinder on Saturday..

Fair point except for the blinder bit, how do you play a blinder when you've fuck all to do?

It was a obvious failed attempt at humour mate... ;-)

 

[Rolee]

I like Joe but If I am honest I hope he does not get another game this season, that would mean Pants is playing great and we win the PL.. Sorry but the club comes first.. ps I thought pants played a blinder on Saturday..

Fair point except for the blinder bit, how do you play a blinder when you've fuck all to do?

It was a obvious failed attempt at humour mate... ;-)

My apologies, humour is lost on me on Mondays.

 

[Blue Til Death]

Fair point except for the blinder bit, how do you play a blinder when you've fuck all to do?

It was a obvious failed attempt at humour mate... ;-)

My apologies, humour is lost on me on Mondays.

Fair enough mate, to be honest I have still not recovered from Saturday yet, started at 07:30 sat morning and managed until about midnight... Don't know what I was thinking of trying to be humorous anyway..

 

[newenglandblue]

Not sure whether to post this in here, the poll or the pre match discussion but here goes

I really hoped Hart had got over his poor form with his run in the WC Qualifiers and subsequent perfromances for us, but the Chelsea error (you can blame Nastasic as well but Joe was culpable to a degree) came too soon after Cardiff and Villa and Bayern to be ignored. Dropping him Saturday was the right thing for all concerned. When/if you bring him back is now the big question.

My view is you leave him out tomorrow, and if Pants does well also at the weekend. I would then bring him back for the Spurs game. Tough on Pants if he has done well but you have to think/hope he will discover his 2009-2012 form, and I think the majority here would take the in form Joe Hart over most other keepers. If after bringing him back in the issues continue, I think it is no longer a Pants/Hart question but who we go and buy. We are going to buy in Jan or the summer and Joe's form between now and then will dictate whether we buy a good keeper or top tier keeper.

 

[Thenumber1blue]

Ian Cheeseman got it spot on - Nasty ignored Joe's call but still had the opportunity to have cleared it. 100% his error.

Then Cheesman got it wrong! Hart was very,very close to Nasty when he called for it, there was no way he could have ducked out of heading it back...100% Joe harts error as there was absolutely no fucking need for him to be out at the edge of his area!

TBH, even if he did call for it, what the fuck was he going to do when he's come charging OUT OF HIS AREA and no where near the flight of the ball?

100% joe's fault

Absolutely,there was no fuckin danger until he rushed of his line,especially as he's normally rooted to it !

 

[bobom]

My view is you leave him out tomorrow, and if Pants does well also at the weekend. I would then bring him back for the Spurs game. Tough on Pants if he has done well but you have to think/hope he will discover his 2009-2012 form, and I think the majority here would take the in form Joe Hart over most other keepers. If after bringing him back in the issues continue, I think it is no longer a Pants/Hart question but who we go and buy. We are going to buy in Jan or the summer and Joe's form between now and then will dictate whether we buy a good keeper or top tier keeper.

CP is a bit of an unknown quantity: what if he plays really well the next few games? Really well, and Hart doesn't improve. Why not just reverse the NOs 1 and 2?

 

[newenglandblue]

My view is you leave him out tomorrow, and if Pants does well also at the weekend. I would then bring him back for the Spurs game. Tough on Pants if he has done well but you have to think/hope he will discover his 2009-2012 form, and I think the majority here would take the in form Joe Hart over most other keepers. If after bringing him back in the issues continue, I think it is no longer a Pants/Hart question but who we go and buy. We are going to buy in Jan or the summer and Joe's form between now and then will dictate whether we buy a good keeper or top tier keeper.

CP is a bit of an unknown quantity: what if he plays really well the next few games? Really well, and Hart doesn't improve. Why not just reverse the NOs 1 and 2?

Fair question and would make sense but from what I have seen he does not look the level I think we need, and would guess from the lack playing time Mancini and Pellegrini have given him they may think the same.

 

[maccistani]

Fair question and would make sense but from what I have seen he does not look the level I think we need, and would guess from the lack playing time Mancini and Pellegrini have given him they may think the same.

The problem is for the position of goalkeeper you need consistency. you can't drop your keeper after one or two mistakes. Last season hart made one mistake then usually made it up by playing a blinder in the next.

This season he has already made too many so the management have decided to change things. I personally feel Pants has come on leaps and bounds since he first joined us and the FA cup game v Chelsea demonstrated this.

Pants will come on leaps and bounds again now he is hopefully getting regular first team action and unless there is good reason, he should stay in the side. Again, if he makes one mistake he should stay in. One in the game after then it's a tough call.

The only downside to all of this is that if Hart is dropped on Saturday Pants will be off in Jan or the summer as teams such as a few mid table clubs will be sniffing round especially if Begovic or Guzan go to Arsenal as reported in some of the papers.

If Hart decides to throw his dummy out of the pram then there are more than capable keepers out there to replace him such as Iker Cassilas and Victor Valdes who could do a job.

 

[newenglandblue]

Fair question and would make sense but from what I have seen he does not look the level I think we need, and would guess from the lack playing time Mancini and Pellegrini have given him they may think the same.

The problem is for the position of goalkeeper you need consistency. you can't drop your keeper after one or two mistakes. Last season hart made one mistake then usually made it up by playing a blinder in the next.

This season he has already made too many so the management have decided to change things. I personally feel Pants has come on leaps and bounds since he first joined us and the FA cup game v Chelsea demonstrated this.

Pants will come on leaps and bounds again now he is hopefully getting regular first team action and unless there is good reason, he should stay in the side. Again, if he makes one mistake he should stay in. One in the game after then it's a tough call.

The only downside to all of this is that if Hart is dropped on Saturday Pants will be off in Jan or the summer as teams such as a few mid table clubs will be sniffing round especially if Begovic or Guzan go to Arsenal as reported in some of the papers.

If Hart decides to throw his dummy out of the pram then there are more than capable keepers out there to replace him such as Iker Cassilas and Victor Valdes who could do a job.

Fair point but a couple of things - Cup game vs Chelsea - he got away with one where vinny cleared off the line - often overlooked when remembering that game

I agree with the consistency, just dont think I am alone in thinking Pants is a decent keeper but nothing more and would definitely not be in the top 5 in the league, something we should definitely have. That is why if Hart does not bounce back I would advocate buying in January or the summer.

 

[Bluesiam]

Not sure whether to post this in here, the poll or the pre match discussion but here goes

I really hoped Hart had got over his poor form with his run in the WC Qualifiers and subsequent perfromances for us, but the Chelsea error (you can blame Nastasic as well but Joe was culpable to a degree) came too soon after Cardiff and Villa and Bayern to be ignored. Dropping him Saturday was the right thing for all concerned. When/if you bring him back is now the big question.

My view is you leave him out tomorrow, and if Pants does well also at the weekend. I would then bring him back for the Spurs game. Tough on Pants if he has done well but you have to think/hope he will discover his 2009-2012 form, and I think the majority here would take the in form Joe Hart over most other keepers. If after bringing him back in the issues continue, I think it is no longer a Pants/Hart question but who we go and buy. We are going to buy in Jan or the summer and Joe's form between now and then will dictate whether we buy a good keeper or top tier keeper.

Why would you drop him if he's playing well? He may turn out to be a really great keeper, as Joe did over Given.

Let things take their course. Play pants until he f**ks up. Then Joe has his chance to come back as the hero.

 

[newenglandblue]

Not sure whether to post this in here, the poll or the pre match discussion but here goes

I really hoped Hart had got over his poor form with his run in the WC Qualifiers and subsequent perfromances for us, but the Chelsea error (you can blame Nastasic as well but Joe was culpable to a degree) came too soon after Cardiff and Villa and Bayern to be ignored. Dropping him Saturday was the right thing for all concerned. When/if you bring him back is now the big question.

My view is you leave him out tomorrow, and if Pants does well also at the weekend. I would then bring him back for the Spurs game. Tough on Pants if he has done well but you have to think/hope he will discover his 2009-2012 form, and I think the majority here would take the in form Joe Hart over most other keepers. If after bringing him back in the issues continue, I think it is no longer a Pants/Hart question but who we go and buy. We are going to buy in Jan or the summer and Joe's form between now and then will dictate whether we buy a good keeper or top tier keeper.

Why would you drop him if he's playing well? He may turn out to be a really great keeper, as Joe did over Given.

Let things take their course. Play pants until he f**ks up. Then Joe has his chance to come back as the hero.

Because I dont think he is the long term answer, and Joe had a much stronger track record when he was picked over Given. Mancini and Pellegrini have had 2 years + to watch him and neither made the decision to put him ahead of Joe other than because of Joe's form now . I thjink Joe can be the long term number 1 still but is on thin ice and like I said, how he does between now and the next 2 transfer windows will drive who/if we recruit someone.