John Stones - 2016/17 performances

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He's got no positional sense at all, never round on the cover for Otamendi when he should be and shocking for the third goal. He might get away with it with a better partner, but Otamendi is a liability who needs someone covering in behind him, just as Stones does. Together they are a bad partnership, neither cover for each other and both desperately need cover. All 3 goals he should have done a lot better in my book
 
aguero93:20 said:
Got abandoned for Falcao's second. Set up Sergio's second. Scored the winner. Didn't put a foot wrong defensively after the 3rd goal. I like him.
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Agree with this. Needs a Vinny type defender beside him to help him develop. Showed great character to bounce back after the mistake.
 
He redeemed himself when he could have gone into his shell he stayed tall even though he was getting all sorts of flack... I really think he will be a different player in a good way once we can find the right matchup for him at CB(it has to work as a solid pairing at the top of the game, we've not had that in some time) I love Kompany but we need to be thinking long term now. We are due some good fortune in signing defenders, maybe 3 worldies will come at once in the summer like with the buses?
 
karen7 said:
Needs vinny beside him
Never hides or lets his head drop
Admitted after that the defending wasn't go enough
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Agree with this. Both him & Otamendi need guidance, either of them alongside Kompany could do a job, but together they can be a bit calamitous. Shame he can't keep fit as he'd be the perfect foil alongside Stones.
 
Every time I watch Stones I think that he will be fine as long as he doesn't have to do any defending. This cannot be right when assessing a £40m defender.

For their 1st goal it was a terrible kick from Willy however Stones never got in a decent position to defend the cross.

For their 2nd Otamendi was off with the fairies but Stones wasn't alive to it either and didn't cover.

For the 3rd it was just rank bad defending however I do think he is entitled to believe that if he gets beaten that at least one of Sagna or Otamendi have decided to cover him. Sadly both decided to pick their arses instead.

I'm not sure Stones will ever be a top-class defender but I think it's probably unfair to dismiss him at the moment while he is lining up alongside 3 complete turds.
 
I think it was indecision / hesitation that gave Falcao the opportunity to outmuscle him, rather than lack of strength. He gave him room to get his shoulder in.

Take the performance as a whole... both he and Ota produced some real garbage, both had better moments. On both occassions where the goal was 'Ota's fault' or 'Sagna's fault', Stones is going back and forth aimlessly between the two.
 
BlueMedic said:
Agree with this. Both him & Otamendi need guidance, either of them alongside Kompany could do a job, but together they can be a bit calamitous. Shame he can't keep fit as he'd be the perfect foil alongside Stones.
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1894southstander said:
Agree with this. Needs a Vinny type defender beside him to help him develop. Showed great character to bounce back after the mistake.
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I think Pep values the ability to play out from the back more than actual defending so I doubt we will see a similar style of defender to Kompany for a while.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
Every time I watch Stones I think that he will be fine as long as he doesn't have to do any defending. This cannot be right when assessing a £40m defender.

For their 1st goal it was a terrible kick from Willy however Stones never got in a decent position to defend the cross.

For their 2nd Otamendi was off with the fairies but Stones wasn't alive to it either and didn't cover.

For the 3rd it was just rank bad defending however I do think he is entitled to believe that if he gets beaten that at least one of Sagna or Otamendi have decided to cover him. Sadly both decided to pick their arses instead.

I'm not sure Stones will ever be a top-class defender but I think it's probably unfair to dismiss him at the moment while he is lining up alongside 3 complete turds.
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I don't think you've played football if you think Stones is to blame for the first.

It's Willy's kick, Otamendi's playing him onside and Sagna who (should be on Falcao) who are to blame.

Stones has to be in the position he is in, because otherwise there is a 10-15m gap for Kylian Mbappé to run into, which he doesn't do, he pulls out because he sees Stones is there and will beat him in the air.

That is so obvious looking at the goal that i can only assume you've not played football because you're advocating him leaving their other striker unmarked in 15m of space in our penalty area.
 
defending on the third was bobbins but he's said as such and will learn from it, could see how much the goals meant to him at both ends and the defence as a whole capitulated because it was left hung out to dry from the start. Pep has made his mind up to just go "fuck it" and we'll see a fair amount of this to the end of the season I think.

Did look like he was running through treacle, needs to try and gain a yard if possible.
 
domalino said:
I don't think you've played football if you think Stones is to blame for the first.

It's Willy's kick, Otamendi's playing him onside and Sagna who (should be on Falcao) who are to blame.

Stones has to be in the position he is in, because otherwise there is a 10-15m gap for Kylian Mbappé to run into, which he doesn't do, he pulls out because he sees Stones is there and will beat him in the air.

That is so obvious looking at the goal that i can only assume you've not played football because you're advocating him leaving their other striker unmarked in 15m of space in our penalty area.
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Why do you respond to me? Seriously why bother?

You state that you don't think I've ever played football well my response is I don't think you can read. At no point do I say Stones is at fault for the 1st but he doesn't actually get in any type of defensive position on the back of a poor kick from Willy. He marks space in the middle of the area instead of attempting to mark Falcao who is the only player in a position to score. You can point to Mbappe but you are just guessing, Mbappe thought this and Mbappe did that, it's just bollocks. Falcao put the ball in the net unchallenged because Otamendi was off sniffing glue, Sagna was thinking about who he could pass back to next and Stones for whatever reason did not react to the main danger who just so happened to put the ball in the net.
 
domalino said:
I don't think you've played football if you think Stones is to blame for the first.

It's Willy's kick, Otamendi's playing him onside and Sagna who (should be on Falcao) who are to blame.

Stones has to be in the position he is in, because otherwise there is a 10-15m gap for Kylian Mbappé to run into, which he doesn't do, he pulls out because he sees Stones is there and will beat him in the air.

That is so obvious looking at the goal that i can only assume you've not played football because you're advocating him leaving their other striker unmarked in 15m of space in our penalty area.
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Only dees.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
Why do you respond to me? Seriously why bother?

You state that you don't think I've ever played football well my response is I don't think you can read. At no point do I say Stones is at fault for the 1st but he doesn't actually get in any type of defensive position on the back of a poor kick from Willy. He marks space in the middle of the area instead of attempting to mark Falcao who is the only player in a position to score. You can point to Mbappe but you are just guessing, Mbappe thought this and Mbappe did that, it's just bollocks. Falcao put the ball in the net unchallenged because Otamendi was off sniffing glue, Sagna was thinking about who he could pass back to next and Stones for whatever reason did not react to the main danger who just so happened to put the ball in the net.
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Sorry mate, you're completely missing the shape of play.
 
jaigurugoat said:
I think Pep values the ability to play out from the back more than actual defending so I doubt we will see a similar style of defender to Kompany for a while.
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Kompany is more than capable of playing from the back though, he used to be a midfielder of course. Also we're linked with players like Van Dijk; also believe he'd be a good idea to play alongside Stones, seems pretty vocal & organised along with being able to play out.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Sorry mate, you're completely missing the shape of play.
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You might wanna take another look at the goal. Someone has posted it on page 34 of the post match thread. Take a look at it, I would suggest 1:06-1:09 shows exactly what I am saying. Stones looks right at Falcao, positions his body like he is going to go towards him and then inexplicably changes his mind and instead actually doesn't do anything. He want at fault for the goal but to suggest that he could have done nothing is pure fiction.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
You might wanna take another look at the goal. Someone has posted it on page 34 of the post match thread. Take a look at it, I would suggest 1:06-1:09 shows exactly what I am saying. Stones looks right at Falcao, positions his body like he is going to go towards him and then inexplicably changes his mind and instead actually doesn't do anything. He want at fault for the goal but to suggest that he could have done nothing is pure fiction.
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He didn't go towards him because the **** was between Ota and Sagna on the wrong side of the penalty spot.
 
aguero93:20 said:
He didn't go towards him because the **** was between Ota and Sagna on the wrong side of the penalty spot.
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So we agree then that Stones whilst not being directly at fault didn't actually cover himself in glory because he didn't actually do anything? Apology accepted.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
So we agree then that Stones whilst not being directly at fault didn't actually cover himself in glory because he didn't actually do anything? Apology accepted.
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What was he supposed to do, go join the other 2 defenders on the other side of the penalty area? You're really embarrassing yourself here.
 
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