John Stones

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Exactly. I wish we stopped with this niceness and just actually made the club take our money and move on.

Having Stones miss any training session is problematic. And our approach to transfers this summer seems to be baffling.

Why aren't the deals done? Why did we allow Laporte to sit and talk with Bilbao? Yes we thought he'd turn them down but remove his opportunity to do so and he'd be here.

Are you in the Matrix, mate?

 

[kaz7]

Karen, genuine question....do you know that we have made an offer? If not, who's to say these reports are wrong? I agree, most of its rubbish but the only reason we knew Gundogan's agent met with Txiki months before he signed, was the media.

Whatever we read or dont read, I just dont believe Everton have held back this transfer, I believe they gave us their valuation and we've spent a number of months getting the lad on side and now we haggling over that valuation because we think Everton will have no choice but to take what we offering because the player only wants us. I just think its poor that he isnt already in pre-season training, learning Pep's system but thats just my personal opinion.

The point is we don't know the inns and outs of the negotiations,the media guess because they have to fill the papers and so do we,chill and trust we will get there in the end,the club take a longer term view,if he misses some or all of pre-season then he does,we have enough cover in the meantime,flapping won't make it happen any quicker will it

 

[K10&S21]

stop with the infighting and calm down folks. if this http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-stones-out-of-everton-friendly-34904767.html
doesn't convince you stones to us is most probably already done nothing will imo.

 

[mosssideblue]

How in the name of God, do you know ANY of this re Everton ?

If we sign Stones, Moreno, Jesus, Sané to add to Nolitio, Gundogan & Zinchenko, how much does it raise our wage bill ?

Can we do it without having confirmed buyers for players to leave ? If we can stand the increase befrore sales can we still stand it if we then sign Kroos or Suarez, or Bonucci or do we have to forget that because you wanted Stones this week ?

What is our transfer budget re ffp ? If we sign the above players without having confirmed buyers for others, do we go above our ffp limit ? If we can do it under the level, will that still be yhe case if we also sign Bonucci or Kroos, or will we have to give them a miss because we have already signed Stones ? Will an extra ten mil on the Sané deal make a difference to that ? Do we know how much money we can spend on Sané or are we close to the ffp limit ? Are we still negotiating for Jesus, thus don't actually know what our budget is ?

That's just off the top of my head in 30 secs. Multiply it by 10 & we get close to the number of possible reasons we are doing business the way we are.

wasting your time bud.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I find many of the posts on this thread, and the transfer forum generally, fascinating. I have no sources of information for City or any other club, and I'm about as out of the know as you can get. I must confess that I've never had to negotiate a transfer in my life and I've never run a football club or even worked for one. In my work I have never had to negotiate the sale of an asset worth around £50 million. But the assets I've bought and sold often resulted in quite complex and lengthy "negotiations" though I suspect not as complex or lengthy as those involved in buying a high end footballer. This is where phrases like "putting the money on the table" and setting "the pace for negotiations" intrigue me. John Stones is not like a cabbage. There is a clear market price for cabbages, dependent on size mainly, and varying with scarcity. If one shop tries to charge too much simply go elsewhere. But we want John Stones because he's different from - and from our point of view better - than other CBs: it's Stones or no-one. So our judgement might be that he's worth £45 million ... but we might be wrong! We might also believe that in 3 years time, after three years of Pep, he'll be worth £70 million! Everton may agree completely with his likely value in 3 years time, but they will almost certainly refuse to take the risk for City's possible erroneous judgement. So Everton will want a higher down payment than City think reasonable and both clubs will agree on the principle of add ons but disagree on the details. And this is where "setting the pace" of negotiations is difficult. Everton is not a shop with a shopkeeper who works specified opening hours any more than City is. Both clubs have a club employee to negotiate the deal - and he may be in Manchester/Liverpool one day, Spain after another deal the day after and South America after that. Arranging meetings can take days, emails may not even be read for days and the board will retain the ultimate word. I don't know what's going on over Stones but it may be something like this or it may not, but it's likely to one of four or five complex deals our club is negotiating. And I think our club has shown itself to be a rather shrewd operator on this level.

That is far too sensible a post.

Can't come up with anything better ?

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Your opinion is based on fantasy.

I could just as easily say I think Stones has all but signed for City but Everton insist on Yaya Toure as part of thd deal & he refuses to leave.

See how easy it is ?

and if thats what you wanted to believe/think mate, I couldnt say you are wrong becuase I dont know all the facts!

It's just opinion and my opinion is, that now we know Stones wants to join us, we haggling over price because we feel we are the only club at the table and "dragging our feet" is all part of that negotiation plan, to try and put pressure on Everton to do us a deal. I believe all this delay will do, is reduce his pre-season preparation and we'll still end up paying close to their valuation. As always mate, not saying I'm right and everyone that disagrees is wrong, its just my view of this transfer.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

stop with the infighting and calm down folks. if this http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-stones-out-of-everton-friendly-34904767.html
doesn't convince you stones to us is most probably already done nothing will imo.

Now thats the sort of news I like to read!;) thanks for the link!

 

[Neville Kneville]

and if thats what you wanted to believe/think mate, I couldnt say you are wrong becuase I dont know all the facts!

It's just opinion and my opinion is, that now we know Stones wants to join us, we haggling over price because we feel we are the only club at the table and "dragging our feet" is all part of that negotiation plan, to try and put pressure on Everton to do us a deal. I believe all this delay will do, is reduce his pre-season preparation and we'll still end up paying close to their valuation. As always mate, not saying I'm right and everyone that disagrees is wrong, its just my view of this transfer.

But I wouldn't have that as an 'opinion' I'd have to guess, because I don't know, so therefore can't have an opinion only a guess.

 

[oakiecokie]

I find many of the posts on this thread, and the transfer forum generally, fascinating. I have no sources of information for City or any other club, and I'm about as out of the know as you can get. I must confess that I've never had to negotiate a transfer in my life and I've never run a football club or even worked for one. In my work I have never had to negotiate the sale of an asset worth around £50 million. But the assets I've bought and sold often resulted in quite complex and lengthy "negotiations" though I suspect not as complex or lengthy as those involved in buying a high end footballer. This is where phrases like "putting the money on the table" and setting "the pace for negotiations" intrigue me. John Stones is not like a cabbage. There is a clear market price for cabbages, dependent on size mainly, and varying with scarcity. If one shop tries to charge too much simply go elsewhere. But we want John Stones because he's different from - and from our point of view better - than other CBs: it's Stones or no-one. So our judgement might be that he's worth £45 million ... but we might be wrong! We might also believe that in 3 years time, after three years of Pep, he'll be worth £70 million! Everton may agree completely with his likely value in 3 years time, but they will almost certainly refuse to take the risk for City's possible erroneous judgement. So Everton will want a higher down payment than City think reasonable and both clubs will agree on the principle of add ons but disagree on the details. And this is where "setting the pace" of negotiations is difficult. Everton is not a shop with a shopkeeper who works specified opening hours any more than City is. Both clubs have a club employee to negotiate the deal - and he may be in Manchester/Liverpool one day, Spain after another deal the day after and South America after that. Arranging meetings can take days, emails may not even be read for days and the board will retain the ultimate word. I don't know what's going on over Stones but it may be something like this or it may not, but it's likely to one of four or five complex deals our club is negotiating. And I think our club has shown itself to be a rather shrewd operator on this level.

OFFS. Why do you constantly come on here talking more sense than the lot of us lot put together. ;)

 

[Hungarian blue]

I find many of the posts on this thread, and the transfer forum generally, fascinating. I have no sources of information for City or any other club, and I'm about as out of the know as you can get. I must confess that I've never had to negotiate a transfer in my life and I've never run a football club or even worked for one. In my work I have never had to negotiate the sale of an asset worth around £50 million. But the assets I've bought and sold often resulted in quite complex and lengthy "negotiations" though I suspect not as complex or lengthy as those involved in buying a high end footballer. This is where phrases like "putting the money on the table" and setting "the pace for negotiations" intrigue me. John Stones is not like a cabbage. There is a clear market price for cabbages, dependent on size mainly, and varying with scarcity. If one shop tries to charge too much simply go elsewhere. But we want John Stones because he's different from - and from our point of view better - than other CBs: it's Stones or no-one. So our judgement might be that he's worth £45 million ... but we might be wrong! We might also believe that in 3 years time, after three years of Pep, he'll be worth £70 million! Everton may agree completely with his likely value in 3 years time, but they will almost certainly refuse to take the risk for City's possible erroneous judgement. So Everton will want a higher down payment than City think reasonable and both clubs will agree on the principle of add ons but disagree on the details. And this is where "setting the pace" of negotiations is difficult. Everton is not a shop with a shopkeeper who works specified opening hours any more than City is. Both clubs have a club employee to negotiate the deal - and he may be in Manchester/Liverpool one day, Spain after another deal the day after and South America after that. Arranging meetings can take days, emails may not even be read for days and the board will retain the ultimate word. I don't know what's going on over Stones but it may be something like this or it may not, but it's likely to one of four or five complex deals our club is negotiating. And I think our club has shown itself to be a rather shrewd operator on this level.

Nah mate, I think we should just announce Stones now, tbf.