John Stones

[mosssideblue]

Either way it will leave Everton in a very uncomfortable position with his agent.

They will either have to offer him the £120,000 a week going rate or risk his agent publically starting an argument.

Everton also need to remember that 80% of any current price tag for Stones is potential. As he is currently 22, another poor season and he won't be the next big thing, rather just a good PL CB. If he stays then Everton will need to do everything possible to make him kick onto the next level. That might be difficult if they deny him another big money move.

Disagree with your 80% remark regarding potential. The fact that the Chavs and now us being after the lad suggests Everton are quite right to value him as they see fit

 

[daztrueblue91]

The selling club can ask whatever they want, its the buying club who determine the cost

That's why it is in the interests of the buying club to swing as many variables in their favour to try and even the balance of power. Hence why these things are a long and drawn out process.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Disagree with your 80% remark regarding potential. The fact that the Chavs and now us being after the lad suggests Everton are quite right to value him as they see fit

They are valuing him based on his potential.

There is no way on earth that a player who had a poor season, got dropped as a CB for Everton and cannot start for England can be valued at £50 million. However, when you factor in that he is 22, English and very good on the ball then that's why the valuation is so high.

 

[Daz_Blue]

50m for a defender who struggles with defending

 

[mosssideblue]

They are valuing him based on his potential.

There is no way on earth that a player who had a poor season, got dropped as a CB for Everton and cannot start for England can be valued at £50 million. However, when you factor in that he is 22, English and very good on the ball then that's why the valuation is so high.

They can value him at whatever they like. The buying club will detrmine the price. As I said, the fact both us and, last season Chelsea were chasing him, suggests there is something more behind it over and above potential imo.

 

[Centurions]

50m for a defender who struggles with defending

Pivot?

 

[mosssideblue]

Pivot?

Is that modern day speak for swivel :)

 

[Phil1]

'Pivot' is trying hard to be the new 'imminent' and I don't like it!

 

[Tugay One Cup]

No offence back but I don't understand posts like yours.

This is a football forum where fans will discuss topics on the club they support. If no one has a relevant opinion on matters because they don't have inside info then what is the point of a forum? We might as well just all shut up and discuss nothing but official business and all come to the same conclusion that the club is always right because they employ more qualified people than us fans.

That said what you say is right. I don't have any inside information on the deal and haven't got a Scooby-doo about what marketing a signing in the ilk of Stones could have on the club. That said, I don't really care about that side of the game. All I care about from any potential signing is what they can offer on the pitch. That is why I am openly questioning what he has done to justify such an outstanding price tag.

In Stones I see a very good footballer but not a great defender. There are two ways that the situation can be looked at. Firstly, Pique, Ramos and Boateng, three of the best CBs in the world are all much better footballers than they are defenders and Stones has the footballing ability to be on their level. Alternatively, none of them play in the PL and Boateng and Pique both struggled to make an impact when here. In addition, we are lacking a leader at CB with Vinny's injury problems. How will Stones cope alongside Mangala or Otamendi rather than a genuine leader like Komps?

People often read posts in a black or white view. Just because I'm openly questioning Stones' price tag doesn't meant that I don't want him here, wouldn't cheer him if he arrived or I am going against Pep. Quite simply I am questioning an absurd valuation on a player who has done nothing to justify it. He could sign for us and turn out to be the best CB since Cannavaro but that still doesn't mean that he is currently worth that money. He could quite easily struggle like Sterling and Mangala have. When ever you spend big money on potential then its a gamble.

If Stone's is currently worth his valuation and it looks like we will pay it, then if Denayer had a good (not outstanding) season for us or another PL side then what would he be worth in today's market? Baring in mind he is similar to Stones and younger.

None taken.

On the one hand you're questioning the value of a player and on the other you're stating that you don't care for the behind the scenes side of football. It's like debating a car's value based purely on aesthetics. Which, as you say, you're entitled to do.

You're right, this is a forum where people can freely post their opinions. In my opinion, this never ending debate about fees is dull, repetitive and absolutely pointless.

 

[Monkchester]

'Pivot' is trying hard to be the new 'imminent' and I don't like it!

I think we do need a new imminent - what about just around the corner, on the point of, ready to roll, in the air, in the pipeline, on the brink of, waiting in the wings or just plain old looming. come on blues what do you think - are we just going to sit back and put up with imminent or make a real difference that might get the transfer merry go round moving ? Most votes wins.