John Stones

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I watched him with particular interest last night and I have to say that although he is clearly a very talented footballer he was regularly caught out of position and he is one of those who at this stage of his career will always give his opponent a chance. He could very well mature into a top centre back but his isn't at that level right now, Reading through other peoples comments we seem to be in agreement on him. I don't believe he played as a right back more the right side of a back 3.
 
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He's clearly not a RB. He's comfortable on the ball for a CB, but looked incredibly awkward for a fullback, constantly dallying on the ball and looking as if he didn't really see what was going on around him quick enough to make a decision. Defensively he has a lot of work to do as well as he's incredibly rash and positionally pretty suspect, but he'll never be a RB. Jagielka is currently the far superior player, while I'm not convinced Stones is even a better defender than Funes Mori at the moment.
 
blueyorkie said:
I watched him with particular interest last night and I have to say that although he is clearly a very talented footballer he was regularly caught out of position and he is one of those who at this stage of his career will always give his opponent a chance. He could very well mature into a top centre back but his isn't at that level right now, Reading through other peoples comments we seem to be in agreement on him. I don't believe he played as a right back more the right side of a back 3.
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tbf he was playing at right back a complete alien position for him and he probably had license to get forward. of course he's not world class right now, i can't think of many 21 year olds ever that have been world class straight away. wed be buying exceptional potential.
 
I thought he had a cracking game considering he was in an unfamiliar position and injured for the last 25 mins.
 
bugsyblue said:
I thought he had a cracking game considering he was in an unfamiliar position and injured for the last 25 mins.
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I agree, you can't really base an opinion about signing him when he was playing right back.

I thought up until his injury situation he was pretty much immaculate.
 
higgi1p said:
We are better off with Denayer
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I completely disagree with this, but that's just my opinion. If Denayer ends up as good as Stones that would be fantastic. I think we're a bit shit in defence and signing Stones would properly strengthen the side.
 
Jack Wills said:
I completely disagree with this, but that's just my opinion. If Denayer ends up as good as Stones that would be fantastic. I think we're a bit shit in defence and signing Stones would properly strengthen the side.
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Everton concede alot more goals since Stones became a regular and took Distins place.
3rd best defence in the league a few seasons ago(where he started to break through in the second half of the season often at rightback). Then 10th best last season.
And now 13th best so far this season with him as first choice.
 
jakeplattinblue said:
The problem last night is he took too many risks. He was running with the ball, and making silly mistakes. Now this is probably because he was out of position.

What I rate most about him is how cool headed he is when he is on the ball. When he's at CB i don't think he is in the position to be bombing forward and taking risks. He would be an improvement on Mangala currently, but only slightly.

If City are thinking about a bid for him, we need to think who will develop into the better player, Stones or Mangala? If it's not an obvious decision, then don't spend the money on him.
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Good post. If Pep comes in I expect we will go for a CB in the summer...probably Laporte. If that is in the works we aren't (or better not be) even looking at Stones.
 
I thought he got completely exposed by Everton's system last night, playing right side of a back three with a winger playing wing back in front of him. His talent already and potential is scary but like any centre back against someone of Sterling's ability you're going to get made to look silly if you have no protection.
 
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:
Stones to me looks like a real talent, which we all hoped Mangalla would be. If we can afford him bearing in mind FFP is still alive and kicking, we need to be making a bid.
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We survived FFP, spend £150 million and that was before the £300 million investment from China and the new Premier League deal. FFP is dead to us.
 
I just can't see us spending the crazy money it would cost to get him. Probably end up with some young German CB that Pep likes the look off.
 
An English centre half that can control and pass a football, wow, he must be world class!

Yes, for a centre half he's good with the ball at his feet. However, some of his defending leaves a lot to be desired. He gets turned very easily and his decision making is often erratic. He gave away a last minute penalty against Stoke that lost them the game and should have been penalised for the same thing against us.

People will say I'm being overly harsh, he's only 21, but if you're talking about spending £50m on a defender then I don't care how old he is, he needs to be top quality now, not in 5 years.

Let's give Denayer a chance, eh? That's a similar risk that won't cost us a penny.
 
kenzie115 said:
An English centre half that can control and pass a football, wow, he must be world class!

Yes, for a centre half he's good with the ball at his feet. However, some of his defending leaves a lot to be desired. He gets turned very easily and his decision making is often erratic. He gave away a last minute penalty against Stoke that lost them the game and should have been penalised for the same thing against us.

People will say I'm being overly harsh, he's only 21, but if you're talking about spending £50m on a defender then I don't care how old he is, he needs to be top quality now, not in 5 years.

Let's give Denayer a chance, eh? That's a similar risk that won't cost us a penny.
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You are totally correct about this fascination and stupid fees that young english kids seem to get tagged with. For 50 mil you would want a Kompany from a couple of seasons ago and change, with probably another player thrown in as well.
 
I'd hate to see us buy Stones. That would mean yet again that we've been royally dry bummed for another CB. He'd cost us over £50m. That's just an absolute piss take. If Evertons scouts can spot him and get him from Barnsley for £3m why the fuck can't ours?
 
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