John Stones

[mosssideblue]

I would have thought Delph at his age would have his eye on the next world cup and will only get into the England team by playing regularly - but as I said, rare to see swap deals these days.We can only hope, we will have 2 or 3 players who will not be in the squad under player registration rules.[/QUOTE
Personally, I think Delph will flourish under Pep and will get good game time this next season

 

[Marvin]

The way I see it is that they have a commodity that someone wants to buy and they dont need to sell. IMO, Everton can ask what they want, whether anyone pays their valuation is a different

Do you really regard human beings as commodities?

Setting that aside I think it's ridiculous to say your not even going to discuss a fee for a player, who wants to leave, unless it reaches a World Record amount

 

[mosssideblue]

Do you really regard human beings as commodities?

Setting that aside I think it's ridiculous to say your not even going to discuss a fee for a player, who wants to leave, unless it reaches a World Record amount

On the commercial aspect of a deal, that is exactly what they are

 

[malg]

On the commercial aspect of a deal, that is exactly what they are

Bang on, nothing more or less than a company asset.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You need 8 homegrown players though

You can't have 8 homegrown players, 4 would have to have come through from your own club. If we sign Stones, either one of the 'homegrown' or one of the 'overseas' players has to go in order to make way.

 

[mosssideblue]

Do you really regard human beings as commodities?

Setting that aside I think it's ridiculous to say your not even going to discuss a fee for a player, who wants to leave, unless it reaches a World Record amount

The player might want to leave, but his employers might think differently. In those circumstances, Everton have done the right thing i.e. if we are to sell him to you, it will beon our terms, not yours. Up to us to respond to tbat. Personally ,, dont see what the issue is, we either pay or walk away if there is no compromise

 

[Dribble]

So it's ok when a player does this in our favour but when Tevez wanted to leave us he was called a ****. Imagine if Aguero just stopped training with us to force a move away. It's a dirty unprofessional trick.

Does what in our favour, hand in an official transfer request? No-one is advocating Stones doing any of the other things that you mentioned, unless you've read it somewhere on BM and I've missed it.

Tevez was a completely different situation. Even his national team manager made a statement to say he'd dropped Tevez from the national team because he'd become unmanageable and he blamed the way City kept bowing to his requests for wage increases, in-season holiday breaks and other special requests as one of the reasons for Tevez's difficult attitude. He even went on to say that Tevez had bragged in the Argentina dressing room that when he wanted something at City, he spoke only to 'The Sheikh' to further underline Tevez's delusions of grandeur. Tevez wasn't serious about leaving us in those initial stages, it was all power play brokering between him and Mancini and in the end the club grew a pair and backed Mancini. Also, this is the same Tevez who got his lifelong wish to end his playing career at his beloved Boca........... Which is also the same Tevez who's now trying to engineer a moved back to the Premier League with Chelsea. That Tevez?

Also, I'm not going to imagine anything about Aguero as no such situation has ever materialised and hardly looks likely to if reports are to be believed that he's ready to signed a contract extension with us taking him to 2020.

 

[WengersWingMan]

If a player's heart is not in it, it's a stupid strategy to play tough, especially if you mis-read your opponent as their performance will dip and it affects the team. All the players, not just Stones will know the situation. Pricing a player out of our transfer when he has twice requested a move is not going to go down well. You have some duty towards the player after he's given you 12 months. Fair enough if City were trying to take advantage but at £40m plus that's really not the case.

I disagree that his value will be retained. In 12 months time, he will be in to the last 2 years of his contract, not a good situation for a selling club, and I think Stones's game will also be affected by this dispute. It's got to mess with your head.

Kenwright has backed himself into a corner now. It will be difficult to replace him now without themselves having to pay way over the odds, so I don't see their strategy changing. In that sense they are likely to stick to their guns, but I don't think it's that clever.

Yea I get what you're saying but players are professionals who know if they underperform they'll have to reduce their wage demands or lose the chance of a big move. Teams like Spurs and Everton are known for playing hardball when they sell.

40m is a decent price for Stones, personally I don't rate him that highly but if his defending improves, he'll be a top player. But prices have doubled since the TV money pretty much doubled (gone up 70% anyway).Shaw went for 30m before prices went up and they rejected 30m last year from Chelsea. He's coming off a bad season, if he improves they'll be looking at 50m next season anyway. It's not like the homegrown market is getting loads of young talented players. The only alternative is to give your own young players a shot

 

[WengersWingMan]

You can't have 8 homegrown players, 4 would have to have come through from your own club. If we sign Stones, either one of the 'homegrown' or one of the 'overseas' players has to go in order to make way.

You can have upto 25 players over the age of 22, but only 17 none homegrown, so you can have 8 homegrown players and 17 NHG. You can have as many young players (below 22) as you want. Essentially City have had to make do with a smaller squad.

 

[BlueToffee]

So it's ok when a player does this in our favour but when Tevez wanted to leave us he was called a ****. Imagine if Aguero just stopped training with us to force a move away. It's a dirty unproffesional trick.

Hi, Everton fan here. Agree with this post completely, no fan of any club (including ours) should be advocating players going on strike - its disgusting and unprofessional.

Anyway, Stones has met with Moshiri and told him he wants to leave. Moshiri is happy to let him go as long as the valuation is met. £50mill is a lot but we rejected £40mill last year and this year, especially with the extra £££ coming in has seen values rise again so this is about right. Also if you buy him, he becomes the world class defender most Evertonians expect and he stays the rest of his career, that fee will be a bargain.

Finally, I still think we expect him to leave but cant see us letting him go until we have his replacement signed otherwise it leaves us vunerable. We have made a huge bid for Koulibaly so if we get him in then Stones is on his way to you.