If I want want something, I asked and do what is necessary just as Fernandinho did when he wanted to come here. Like I said, imo I think Stones could be doing more to facilitate this move and handing in an official transfer request therefore foregoing any loyalty bonuses to prove his commitment to the move would be a start......I think he is right to sit and let the clubs sort this out.
I've already made these points before but again:
1) I think the record fee paid for an English player was £45m for Sterling. The world record fee for a defender is £50m for Luiz. £40m is a massive fee. It's hardly a case of getting him on the cheap. And a few months ago, Everton fans came on here telling us about Moshiri's Billions and how it was a new start for EFC etc. What is the point of holding out for even more money when you are wealthy? False economy leaving it to the end when you have to replace the player.
2) Kenwright has managed to ratchet the fee up to £40 million. Well done. The rest of football would think it ridiculous if City paid that let alone £50m. To say you're not going to discuss anything less than £50m is seriously disrespectful to the player and would put the relationship between club and player at risk.
I don't think Everton had any intention of finding the best deal for Stones which really they have an obligation to do when the player says they want to leave.
I'm not so sure. I read the Sky article, but from what I recall he did then as he's done this summer which is told his bosses he wanted to leave, but he didn't hand in an official written transfer request then and hasn't done so this time around either.he did give an official transfer request last summer too when Chelsea were after him, but Everton stood firm
4. City need homegrown players desperately
The way I see it is that they have a commodity that someone wants to buy and they dont need to sell. IMO, Everton can ask what they want, whether anyone pays their valuation is a differentI've already made these points before but again:
1) I think the record fee paid for an English player was £45m for Sterling. The world record fee for a defender is £50m for Luiz. £40m is a massive fee. It's hardly a case of getting him on the cheap. And a few months ago, Everton fans came on here telling us about Moshiri's Billions and how it was a new start for EFC etc. What is the point of holding out for even more money when you are wealthy? False economy leaving it to the end when you have to replace the player.
2) Kenwright has managed to ratchet the fee up to £40 million. Well done. The rest of football would think it ridiculous if City paid that let alone £50m. To say you're not going to discuss anything less than £50m is seriously disrespectful to the player and would put the relationship between club and player at risk.
I don't think Everton had any intention of finding the best deal for Stones which really they have an obligation to do when the player says they want to leave.
So it's ok when a player does this in our favour but when Tevez wanted to leave us he was called a ****. Imagine if Aguero just stopped training with us to force a move away. It's a dirty unproffesional trick.If I want want something, I asked and do what is necessary just as Fernandinho did when he wanted to come here. Like I said, imo I think Stones could be doing more to facilitate this move and handing in an official transfer request therefore foregoing any loyalty bonuses to prove his commitment to the move would be a start......
How much does he want this move? Over to you Johnny boy.
I would have thought Delph at his age would have his eye on the next world cup and will only get into the England team by playing regularly - but as I said, rare to see swap deals these days.We can only hope, we will have 2 or 3 players who will not be in the squad under player registration rules.What makes you think any of those players would want to go? They have contracts with us and cannot be forced against their wishes
Sterling, Hart, Clichy and Delph disagree with you
Maybe Citys position has changed over this pre-season. Maybe Pep has had a look at who he has at his disposal and maybe he is more relaxed about the situation now that he has seen Tosin and maybe Vinne is nearer to full fitness and he hasnt met EM yet
It may have been that at the start of the transfer window City felt this and full back were positions that needed strengthening but now that he has seen in the flesh what he has to work with he is more relaxed and so this take it or leave it position is one that he and the club are happy with..just a thought
I would have thought Delph at his age would have his eye on the next world cup and will only get into the England team by playing regularly - but as I said, rare to see swap deals these days.We can only hope, we will have 2 or 3 players who will not be in the squad under player registration rules.[/QUOTE
Personally, I think Delph will flourish under Pep and will get good game time this next season
Do you really regard human beings as commodities?The way I see it is that they have a commodity that someone wants to buy and they dont need to sell. IMO, Everton can ask what they want, whether anyone pays their valuation is a different
On the commercial aspect of a deal, that is exactly what they areDo you really regard human beings as commodities?
Setting that aside I think it's ridiculous to say your not even going to discuss a fee for a player, who wants to leave, unless it reaches a World Record amount
Bang on, nothing more or less than a company asset.On the commercial aspect of a deal, that is exactly what they are
You need 8 homegrown players though
The player might want to leave, but his employers might think differently. In those circumstances, Everton have done the right thing i.e. if we are to sell him to you, it will beon our terms, not yours. Up to us to respond to tbat. Personally ,, dont see what the issue is, we either pay or walk away if there is no compromiseDo you really regard human beings as commodities?
Setting that aside I think it's ridiculous to say your not even going to discuss a fee for a player, who wants to leave, unless it reaches a World Record amount
Does what in our favour, hand in an official transfer request? No-one is advocating Stones doing any of the other things that you mentioned, unless you've read it somewhere on BM and I've missed it.So it's ok when a player does this in our favour but when Tevez wanted to leave us he was called a ****. Imagine if Aguero just stopped training with us to force a move away. It's a dirty unprofessional trick.
If a player's heart is not in it, it's a stupid strategy to play tough, especially if you mis-read your opponent as their performance will dip and it affects the team. All the players, not just Stones will know the situation. Pricing a player out of our transfer when he has twice requested a move is not going to go down well. You have some duty towards the player after he's given you 12 months. Fair enough if City were trying to take advantage but at £40m plus that's really not the case.
I disagree that his value will be retained. In 12 months time, he will be in to the last 2 years of his contract, not a good situation for a selling club, and I think Stones's game will also be affected by this dispute. It's got to mess with your head.
Kenwright has backed himself into a corner now. It will be difficult to replace him now without themselves having to pay way over the odds, so I don't see their strategy changing. In that sense they are likely to stick to their guns, but I don't think it's that clever.
You can't have 8 homegrown players, 4 would have to have come through from your own club. If we sign Stones, either one of the 'homegrown' or one of the 'overseas' players has to go in order to make way.
So it's ok when a player does this in our favour but when Tevez wanted to leave us he was called a ****. Imagine if Aguero just stopped training with us to force a move away. It's a dirty unproffesional trick.