John Terry [Merged]

[Johnny Tabasco]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

I think you'll find that he bank-rolled some top quality players too; Gullit and Vialli amongst them. They helped transform Chelsea into a team that was then able to secure its first trophy in 26 years before Abramovich appeared on the scene.

He did no such thing. Bates wouldnt let him anywhere near team affairs as he was concerned he was gaining too much power.

The players you mention were bankrolled with loans. Same for Di Matteo, Zola then later on Sutton, JFH , Desailly etc. These loans from 1995-2001 where what got us into such financial difficulties that so nearly came to a head in 2003. Harding and his legacy had nothing to do with it.

 

[Naws]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Oh yea sure, and if those meetings really happened, of course noone took a picture of Cook and JT or Hughes and JT having a little chit chat right? Bullshit.

In your opinion ! Maybe there are pictures and they will come out in the comming weeks ! Who can say. Who cares really....

You might care if MC get points deducted next season?

Prey tell why City would have a points deduction. Is it because;

a) The owners have more money that the Sky4?
b) The Chicken Balti pies are ridicously overpriced?
c) Gary Cook's brother is bigger than yours
d) It's just not fair, boo fucking hoo

get a grip,

I thought it was pretty obvious why it could be a possibility. What would be the point in fining the richest club in the world?

But that was a great post, what does the get a grip comment mean by the way, a grip of what?

 

[Naws]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Anyway, back onto the discussion...

Ancellotti doesn't appear to have a clue what's happening at the club yet,

11.37 Carlo Ancelotti appears to have jumped the gun somewhat in confirming Yuri Zhirkov as a Chelsea player. His new club have reached an agreement with CSKA Moscow to sign the Russian, but a deal has yet to be rubber-stamped.

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Also, I'm not a Chelsea supporter, but someone compared City with Chelsea before money, I think you may be a little off..

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Winners (2): 1971, 1998 City (1)
UEFA Super Cup
Winners (1): 1998 City (0)

League Cup
Winners (2): 1965, 1998, City (2)

FA Cup
Winners (3): 1970, 1997, 2000, City (4)



For a team that were no bigger than city they have a lot more trophies before Ab, no?

Ive edited your stats slightly as you said pre Ab, in that scenario its reasonably similar

 

[alera]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Exactly there is no fucking difference.

Chelsea were nothing before Roman everyone knows this.

Chelsea without him and the money are nothing TBH not at all well supported in the scheme of things. We had better average attendances when we were stuggling near the bottokm of the league versus them winning titles !

I dont want to here about the Bridges capacity either - doesnt wash with the sort of money you had. Arsenal had nothing like your money and they needed a bigger stadium so built one.

You never built a bigger ground becuase you couldnt fill it - dont have a good enough support base.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Anyway, back onto the discussion...

Ancellotti doesn't appear to have a clue what's happening at the club yet,

11.37 Carlo Ancelotti appears to have jumped the gun somewhat in confirming Yuri Zhirkov as a Chelsea player. His new club have reached an agreement with CSKA Moscow to sign the Russian, but a deal has yet to be rubber-stamped.

what a liar!! ;)

 

[avoidconfusion]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

What?


2003-2004 2nd -----Abramovich arrives
2002-2003 4th
2001-2002 6th
2000-2001 6th
1999-2000 5th
1998-1999 3rd
1997-1998 4th
1996-1997 6th

I wouldn't call that average or midtable.

you seem to have forgotten this:


League position 1992 - present
2009-2010
2008-2009 3rd
2007-2008 2nd
2006-2007 2nd
2005-2006 1st
2004-2005 1st
2003-2004 2nd Abramovich arrives
2002-2003 4th
2001-2002 6th
2000-2001 6th
1999-2000 5th
1998-1999 3rd
1997-1998 4th
1996-1997 6th money ploughed into the team under rudd gullitt
1995-1996 11th
1994-19 95 11th
1993-1994 14th matthew harding invested big in the team
1992-1993 11th

notice the money invested an prior to that your mid table Mediocrity,,, you seem to have selective memory regarding your history you fucking balloon

I am not a Chelsea fan so I am not sure if you intended to address me with this or not.

 

[citychief]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Fair play mate. I think the point was you were midtable - 6th at best up till 2003 and you average attendances even after all your success and investmane over the last few years has not been great. Yes your stadium is not so good but surely with all the money you had if you thought you could fill a bigger ground one would hav been built ala Arsenal with the emirates.

The truth is before Roman Chelsea were just an average mid table side in every sense certainly no bigger than city.

Chelsea had finished in the top 6 and qualifed for Europe for the seven seasons before Roman came. Our attendances are fine. Apart from one of two Champions League minnow matches a few years ago we sell out every game at SB.

Not getting into arguments about this though. Didnt come here to do that.

All conveniently forgetting that Matthew Harding had already bank-rolled Chelsea into the upper reaches of the Premier League before Abramovich appeared.

No he hadnt. He gave money towards the south stand. Thats it.

jt to try and get back on subject mate instead of the my dads as big/bigger than your dad shit the lil n"b who come on here before you did, all both clubs need now is john t to come out an say he's staying/leaving and try and wrap it up!!!! I like many other blues dont mind cfc and was happy to see um smash up the "top 3" s and turn it into "top 4" gives me hope of us doing it soon :)

 

[dave_blue12]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Prior to the arrival of Matthew Harding's (RIP) money Chelsea were nowhere.

Upon Harding's death they were right in the sh*te and on the verge of going under before RA came along.

Yes their recent history is better than ours but lets compare in another 20 years as we've got our wealthy owner over 10 years later (Harding)

Cheers

 

[Shooter 83]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Also, I'm not a Chelsea supporter, but someone compared City with Chelsea before money, I think you may be a little off..

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Winners (2): 1971, 1998
UEFA Super Cup
Winners (1): 1998

League Cup
Winners (4): 1965, 1998, 2005, 2007

FA Cup
Winners (5): 1970, 1997, 2000, 2007, 2009



For a team that were no bigger than city they have a lot more trophies before Ab, no?

No, before Roman came they had only won the league once (1954-55), FA Cup 3 times (1970, 1997, 2000), League Cup twice (1965, 1998), Cup Winners Cup twice (1971, 1998 when few people cared about it and lasted only another year), Super Cup once (1998)

So befrore Roman came Chelsea had only won 9 major honours

City had won the league twice (1936-37, 1967-68), FA Cup four times ( 1904, 1934, 1956, 1969), League Cup twice (1970, 1976) and Cup Winnners Cup (1970)

9 major honours for City too, so before Roman came in, both had won the same amount. Don't see the "lot more trophies" part myself.

Lets not forget Matthew Harding(rip) who pumped loads of cash into Chelsea when they had only won 4 major honours.

 

[liamctid]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Excatly there is no fucking difference.

Chelsea were nothing before Roman everyone knows this.

Chelsea without him and the money are nothing TBH not at all well supported in the scheme of things. We had better average attendances when we were stuggling near the bottokm of the league versus them winning titles !

I dont want to here about the Bridges capacity either - doesnt wash with the sort of money you had. Arsenal had nothing like your money and they needed a bigger stadium so built one.

You never built a bigger ground becuase you couldnt fill it - dont have a good enough support base.

So that is to say that we are nothing now then?

Chelsea do have a decent fan base. But its quite funny how we harp on about United fans not thinking football was created until 1992, yet a lot of fans of other clubs believe that Chelsea were established in 2003.

 

[Johnny Tabasco]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Excatly there is no fucking difference.

Chelsea were nothing before Roman everyone knows this.

Chelsea without him and the money are nothing TBH not at all well supported in the scheme of things. We had better average attendances when we were stuggling near the bottokm of the league versus them winning titles !

I dont want to here about the Bridges capacity either - doesnt wash with the sort of money you had. Arsenal had nothing like your money and they needed a bigger stadium so built one.

You never built a bigger ground becuase you couldnt fill it - dont have a good enough support base.

Its just incorrect. It really is. Petty, even.

Chelsea are looking at moving to a new ground and have been for a few years. Many fans are uncomfortable with it as they dont want to leave the spiritual home (something you know all about i presume) Location is the issue. The Bridge simply cannot be expanded anymore. Yes we do not have fanbase of Arsenal so it wont be a 60-70k ground if and when it goes ahead. I suspect more around 50k. And we will fill it.

 

[alera]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

This is true but always the case with forums....

 

[mancboy123]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

History is exactly what it says on the tin, its History why does the History of a club make any difference, so historically you were powerful doesnt mean you have any right to be powerful in the future.

If the only insult a team or a clubs fans can level at us is our supposed lack of history then so be it they can stay in the pat where history is because we are the future.

 

[Johnny Tabasco]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Lets not forget Matthew Harding(rip) who pumped loads of cash into Chelsea when they had only won 4 major honours.

Again, i repeat this. No.He.Did.Not.

He helped fund a new stand. That was it.

Why do some of you think of Matty Harding as a rich sugar daddy ? It simply wasnt the case at all.

 

[Johnny Tabasco]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

If the only insult a team or a clubs fans can level at us is our supposed lack of history then so be it they can stay in the pat where history is because we are the future.

As a Chelsea fan I agree totally. But get used to hearing about it. Mainly from bitter Liverpool fans from Ireland and Asia!

 

[alera]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Its just incorrect. It really is. Petty, even.

Chelsea are looking at moving to a new ground and have been for a few years. Many fans are uncomfortable with it as they dont want to leave the spiritual home (something you know all about i presume) Location is the issue. The Bridge simply cannot be expanded anymore. Yes we do not have fanbase of Arsenal so it wont be a 60-70k ground if and when it goes ahead. I suspect more around 50k. And we will fill it.

Its not incorrect or petty its the facts on the ground. Emirates cost £300m million and holds 60,000 - one of the best gorunds in the country. Arsenal are skint - yet they needed a bigger goround so they built it.

You spend £600 million on players over 5 seasons or so yet dont build a bigger stadium. Money no object but you dont build a bigger ground.

Why because you dont have the fans to fill it. Simples....

City were the 5th best supported side in teh league last season Behind Rags, Arsenal, Newcastle, Liverpool. This season without Newcastle in the league city will be the 3rd best suported side most likely.

Success wise before Roman were were the same. Support base wise we are certainly bigger and always have been. Thesea re the facts ont he ground.

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

As a slight aside to the ranting that even I appear to have been dragged into (but will now desist). How strange a decision does Sturridges look now when the new Chelsea manager says on day one he hasn't heard of him or seen him play ? his move appears very Ill advised in light of that statement if he was expecting first team football ?

 

[auction294]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

You might care if MC get points deducted next season?

Prey tell why City would have a points deduction. Is it because;

a) The owners have more money that the Sky4?
b) The Chicken Balti pies are ridicously overpriced?
c) Gary Cook's brother is bigger than yours
d) It's just not fair, boo fucking hoo

get a grip,

I thought it was pretty obvious why it could be a possibility. What would be the point in fining the richest club in the world?

But that was a great post, what does the get a grip comment mean by the way, a grip of what?

It simply means anyone whether a football supporter, football manager or anyone in between, agents, sports commentator or just simply uniterested members of the public that can pass a crass comment to the effect that City should be points deducted need to get a grip of reality. Whereas it may be argued that Real Madrid, Manure , Liverpool etc that are bankrolling their spending built on huge debt levels are in fact the ones that should, if any have a points deduction. However as football is a commercial activity as well as a sport then this 'non argument' relating to a hypthetical scenario of point deduction is rendered redundant.

Thank You and Goodnight. Now has Terry signed yet?

 

[liamctid]

Re: Chelsea reject Terry offer [Merged]

Arsenal are skint - yet they needed a bigger goround so they built it.

They are skint because of the new ground!