John Terry [Merged]

[Lomas has a lob on]

if this transfer doesn't come off where do we go from here? i mean lescott isn't nailed on by any means, the season starts in 3 weeks! and our defence is by far the worst area of our side! im not panicking but i really do hope hughes has got plans like he said he did! the thought of starting with the same back 4 is laughable! if it fails i'd go straight to spuds and offer 20mil for woodgate! anyone know what bruno alves is like his name gets banded about but i've never seen him play i dont think?

 

[BringBackSwales]

not arsed about losing face or pulling plugs first, frankly this just needs sorting one way or the other, if SSN and talk shite report it as City being rejected again so what - sticks and stones and all that. This just needs sorting one way or the other and frankly JT's dithering, whichever we he goes, is piss poor and says to me his leadership skills are not as great as most people seem to think they are - great leaders do not dither, charles fucking hawtrey used to dither

 

[CFCnibs]

Ha Ha Ha!!!

(Chelsea Fan laughing his head off!)

Seriously, I think the amounts being touted about, both transfer fee and wages are absurd for a player like Terry.
Don't get me wrong, he has been very instrumental to our success and he's a great leader and all that but the sums involved should only be for a top flair playr / match winner - NOT a defender (however good) with a bad back problem.

You'd be much better off getting Carvalho off us for a whole lot less.

HA HA HA

Nice try i see what you did there. I think we'll stick with terry thanks but maybe you would like a richard dunne its in mint condition only scored a couple of own goals. Body works a bit shabby but nothin a good big mac wouldnt sort.

That Richard Dunne offer is very tempting. About as tempting as us re-signing Frank Sinclair or Erland Johnsen.

I wasn't joking though. It was only a little while back I was hearing how Terry wasn't the best defender at Chelsea and that it was Carvalho who made him look good. Now he seems to be the mutt's nuts's again!

 

[i8rags]

not arsed about losing face or pulling plugs first, frankly this just needs sorting one way or the other, if SSN and talk shite report it as City being rejected again so what - sticks and stones and all that. This just needs sorting one way or the other and frankly JT's dithering, whichever we he goes, is piss poor and says to me his leadership skills are not as great as most people seem to think they are - great leaders do not dither, charles fucking hawtrey used to dither

quite right often thought that leaders are born and not created and leaders of men are the last to leave the ship, they dont jump coz the the next to sail past is bigger and shinier.

 

[Cambridgeblue]

Frankly i'm not too bothered if he does sign a new contract with chelsea... at the end of the day it means less money chelsea have to spend on new players and an increasingly likelyhood that Lampard and Ballack will want to engineer new deals - costing them even more money.

Until we hear from the player himself though we should reserve judgement... if we get him, great, if not we move on to our next target. Lescott will be a quality addition and maybe him and Onuoha will be enough. If we're still desperate for another defender someone like Hangerlaand would be good.

Bridge is looking much better this season, man of the match for me against kaiser chiefs, and I think Richards will return to form too. Ned will go from strength to strength and improve on last year so all in all we're already looking stronger than last season without new recruits... especially if you consider that we've got Kompany as an option in defence when he's fit again.

That's assuming Ned stays with us long term - we seem able to pay £100k a week to the likes of bridge and bellamy, but it seems far lower amounts are applicable to the likes of Nedum and Daniel Sturridge - (even Stevie Ireland as a more established young player was apparently not amused with the contract offer at one stage). I personally think we should value the good young players within in a similar way to those we buy, so I am still not 100% convinced we will see the Onouha's and Mee's develop with us long term, but it is just my personal opinion and I hope I am very bloody wrong indeed - I want to see a MANCHESTER CITY team continue with a strong academy presence, it means a lot to a lot of City fans

If you're suggesting that Nedum should be on anywhere near £100k a week then I'm sorry but you are dead wrong... Bridge and Bellamy are experienced premiership players and established in their respective international teams.

When Nedum is 28 and has more international caps to his name he WILL be on £100k a week assuming he continues to improve enough to remain at the club.

It's just like any other job, as you get older and prove yourself then you earn the big pay rises... you don't get handed them on a plate. It's not like they are going to get paid anywhere near as much elsewhere (Sturridge being perhaps the exception as there was no doubt a sizable sign on fee).

 

[Dyed Petya]

Dyed Petya...loved your insights from last night, this morn.

Out of interest, are you able to tell me how Abramovich and old car dealer mate were able to find $400m dollars for that well-below-value stake in, was it, Sibneft?

Incredible. Was it just a case that Putin put people around a table and asked what his cut would be.

If so, feel sorry for Russia's previously richest man, Khorokovsky, the media guy?

Surely, the patsy in this whole cover-up.

Suppose it pays to have friends in high places when it comes to Roman, eh?

It's long and complex and I can only be brief.

Back in the 1990s, when you had the privatisations and loans for shares and so on, it was Yeltsin who was in power. The 1996 Presidential election was a big thing - Yeltsin looked like he was going to lose and Zyuganov, the Communist, would have got in. In 1995, they devised a thing called the 'loans for shares' programme, to stop the big state enterprises from going bankrupt and to help finance Yeltsin's campaign (obviously, he won the election).

This was effectively a privatisation of huge swathes of Russia's natural assets through the transfer into private hands of companies like Sibneft - and also the likes of Norilsk Nickel, LUKoil, Yukos and many others. The companies were effectively auctioned off, leased to commercial bank in return for loans to central government: subsequently, the loans were written off, and so the share transfers became permanent. Unfortunately, they auctions were all rigged.

The way it tended to work was as follows. All of the major oligarchs at the time owned banks, and for each of the privatisations, the bank of a given oligarch would be appointed by the government to handle the privatisation. Bids to loan the government money in return for leasing the shares were invited, and all bids would be disqualified except the one from the organising bank. Needless to say, they invariably only paid a fraction of the true value.

As for Khodorkovsky - he took on Putin, so was clamped down on, simple as that. He was financing opposition political parties and so on. Abramovich has never tried to take on the Kremlin. Simple as that, really.

 

[Cambridgeblue]

What evidence do you have for this?

None.

Since when did anybody have to have evidence for an opinion. Oh sorry forgot this is the land where we hound people off a public forum for daring to not agree with the keyboard warriors.

Opinions are like shits... everyone has them and they all stink ;)

I think the point he was making is that opinions like yours without any apparent foundation to back them up aren't really adding to the debate and so really aren't of interest to anybody.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Since when did anybody have to have evidence for an opinion. Oh sorry forgot this is the land where we hound people off a public forum for daring to not agree with the keyboard warriors.

Opinions are like shits... everyone has them and they all stink ;)

I think the point he was making is that opinions like yours without any apparent foundation to back them up aren't really adding to the debate and so really aren't of interest to anybody.

Absolutely right.

Posting "Terry is not coming. End of" is just as bad as posting "Terry will be a City player in August".

Don't post things as fact if it's an opinion.

 

[Dyed Petya]

Incidentally, it's off topic because it's nowt to do with Terry, but I was banging on earlier in the thread about our owners being interested in development the Sportcity site and the desire to take the club forward for the benefit it will bring to other business ventures which will end up being conducted on neighbouring land.

There was a report earlier today, now denied by Everton, that they could be ripe for a takeover. It contained this interesting little extract:

Businessman Christopher Nathaniel has revealed that he is working with a UAE based consortium with a view to buying Everton Football Club.

“I can confirm I am acting on behalf of a UAE-based business consortium, who are chaired by a prominent Dubai businessman, and that I am currently in discussions with a number of Premier League clubs, one of which is Everton Football Club,” said Nathaniel.

“In this case, I’ve been approached because of my background in the entertainment industry. I can bring that element of big celebrity names and concerts – I can help realise my client’s plans to make a football club a wider entertainment platform. The Middle East understands the entertainment element, and how introducing it to football clubs can turn loss-making vehicles into profit-making ones.”

Very much what ADUG have planned, I think we'll see in due course.

 

[BringBackSwales]

That's assuming Ned stays with us long term - we seem able to pay £100k a week to the likes of bridge and bellamy, but it seems far lower amounts are applicable to the likes of Nedum and Daniel Sturridge - (even Stevie Ireland as a more established young player was apparently not amused with the contract offer at one stage). I personally think we should value the good young players within in a similar way to those we buy, so I am still not 100% convinced we will see the Onouha's and Mee's develop with us long term, but it is just my personal opinion and I hope I am very bloody wrong indeed - I want to see a MANCHESTER CITY team continue with a strong academy presence, it means a lot to a lot of City fans

If you're suggesting that Nedum should be on anywhere near £100k a week then I'm sorry but you are dead wrong... Bridge and Bellamy are experienced premiership players and established in their respective international teams.

When Nedum is 28 and has more international caps to his name he WILL be on £100k a week assuming he continues to improve enough to remain at the club.

It's just like any other job, as you get older and prove yourself then you earn the big pay rises... you don't get handed them on a plate. It's not like they are going to get paid anywhere near as much elsewhere (Sturridge being perhaps the exception as there was no doubt a sizable sign on fee).

I never mentioned a figure regarding the kids, I was talking about a principle

 

[bobrivers]

That's assuming Ned stays with us long term - we seem able to pay £100k a week to the likes of bridge and bellamy, but it seems far lower amounts are applicable to the likes of Nedum and Daniel Sturridge - (even Stevie Ireland as a more established young player was apparently not amused with the contract offer at one stage). I personally think we should value the good young players within in a similar way to those we buy, so I am still not 100% convinced we will see the Onouha's and Mee's develop with us long term, but it is just my personal opinion and I hope I am very bloody wrong indeed - I want to see a MANCHESTER CITY team continue with a strong academy presence, it means a lot to a lot of City fans

If you're suggesting that Nedum should be on anywhere near £100k a week then I'm sorry but you are dead wrong... Bridge and Bellamy are experienced premiership players and established in their respective international teams.

When Nedum is 28 and has more international caps to his name he WILL be on £100k a week assuming he continues to improve enough to remain at the club.

It's just like any other job, as you get older and prove yourself then you earn the big pay rises... you don't get handed them on a plate. It's not like they are going to get paid anywhere near as much elsewhere (Sturridge being perhaps the exception as there was no doubt a sizable sign on fee).

That issue, I think, is one of the problems City will have to face at some point. The huge gap between the wages of your new acquisitions and the rest of the squad. Before you know it the agents for the "vastly underpaid" majority will be banging on Cook's office door demanding raises.

As for players waiting to get older to prove themselves before asking for bigger pay, it's nice to imagine that but it's far from reality. Professional athletes have a very short period of time in their lives when they can make their fortune and it can be cut even shorter by injuries, bad career choices, etc so no one in the modern footballing world would bide their time trying to be modest. Players nowadays are owned by agents who dictate the terms and plan of action,simple as that.

 

[Matt.D]

you have a great nack of using paper storys to create your own little theories, just like pollerz, cheers for that update

And, yet, you speak as though you know me and what I do.

I am allowed to profess opinion, alongside the snippets of info I am told, able to ask of people.

Cheers for your insight - oh, and it's stories.

sorry, what are you the grammar police? of course your allowed to profess an opinion on a football forum thats what its all about, but dont try and claim any sort of update or ITK information when you clearly know as much as the rest of us which is sweet FA except what we heard in the papers.

Ive read your posts for a while and not once have you shed any new light on any situation and virtually nothing youve said has come off. so in future if you have any opinions of what you think is happening, dont call it an update, you might want to start with .. my interpretation of what ive read/heard in the media is... honestly 'ITK' people like you are the reason people doubt the likes of spursmad who come along rarely, who have real solid information.

and theres probably about 50 words in there that are not gramatically correct you might want to pick up on.

 

[the--dud]

If you're suggesting that Nedum should be on anywhere near £100k a week then I'm sorry but you are dead wrong... Bridge and Bellamy are experienced premiership players and established in their respective international teams.

When Nedum is 28 and has more international caps to his name he WILL be on £100k a week assuming he continues to improve enough to remain at the club.

It's just like any other job, as you get older and prove yourself then you earn the big pay rises... you don't get handed them on a plate. It's not like they are going to get paid anywhere near as much elsewhere (Sturridge being perhaps the exception as there was no doubt a sizable sign on fee).

That issue, I think, is one of the problems City will have to face at some point. The huge gap between the wages of your new acquisitions and the rest of the squad. Before you know it the agents for the "vastly underpaid" majority will be banging on Cook's office door demanding raises.

As for players waiting to get older to prove themselves before asking for bigger pay, it's nice to imagine that but it's far from reality. Professional athletes have a very short period of time in their lives when they can make their fortune and it can be cut even shorter by injuries, bad career choices, etc so no one in the modern footballing world would bide their time trying to be modest. Players nowadays are owned by agents who dictate the terms and plan of action,simple as that.

You make good points, but I hate the argument about football players having a short amount of time to make their money...
A bit of math: 18 - 33 years "working as a footballer = 15 years times 52 weeks times £25k/week = bloody £19.5m!
£50k/week = £39m!

Footballers are absolutely loaded with cash, even if you're on £10k/week you're still making an average yearly wage in just 7 days! There is absolute NO DANGER of footballers not being able to sustain themselves after finishing playing. Unless you waste it all away on drugs/cars/investments, in which case you're a moron...

The reason they want more cash is human nature, you get accustomed to a certain life-style then you not only want to sustain it but you want MORE MORE MORE.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

And, yet, you speak as though you know me and what I do.

I am allowed to profess opinion, alongside the snippets of info I am told, able to ask of people.

Cheers for your insight - oh, and it's stories.

sorry, what are you the grammar police? of course your allowed to profess an opinion on a football forum thats what its all about, but dont try and claim any sort of update or ITK information when you clearly know as much as the rest of us which is sweet FA except what we heard in the papers.

Ive read your posts for a while and not once have you shed any new light on any situation and virtually nothing youve said has come off. so in future if you have any opinions of what you think is happening, dont call it an update, you might want to start with .. my interpretation of what ive read/heard in the media is... honestly 'ITK' people like you are the reason people doubt the likes of spursmad who come along rarely, who have real solid information.

and theres probably about 50 words in there that are not gramatically correct you might want to pick up on.

Nee naw nee naw nee naw nee naw...screech.

It's the ITK police, back to save us all.

New to the board but full of piss and vinegar...coming to a thread near you...soon.

 

[Ducado]

Can we keep this civil please!

 

[bizzbo]

As for players waiting to get older to prove themselves before asking for bigger pay, it's nice to imagine that but it's far from reality. Professional athletes have a very short period of time in their lives when they can make their fortune and it can be cut even shorter by injuries, bad career choices, etc so no one in the modern footballing world would bide their time trying to be modest.

Well, it's not quite the reality. The reality is that 'proving' oneself first at a lower level can enhance the players eventual earning capacity. This is one reason why Daniel Sturridge's move seems a little short-sighted. In the long run, he may have been better advised to join a club that offered a lower wage, but more first team opportunities (I'm not saying city would offer this). Still, it is understandable if the thought of a career threatening injury is a factor in players deciding to make the most of their earnings as soon as possible. It is a balancing act. Ambition & fulfilment vs financial security. Players and agents try to find a way to satisfy all criteria. Each situation is as different as one person is to another.

Players nowadays are owned by agents who dictate the terms and plan of action,simple as that.

Nonsense, simple as that. geaWorld and MSI have had successes but the practice of third party ownership will soon be outlawed completely. Players own themselves. Agents have to look after their clients, otherwise they will suffer as short a career as their first client. Listen to the agents, and they all say that they have to give the player what he wants. I can imagine that for some players, their interests coincide more or less with those their agents. I can imagine that some agents, some of the time, manipulate their clients to this effect. I can't imagine that any sane player would allow their agent to dictate the shape of their career, against their wishes, when the agent depends on them, not the other way around. It would be a one shot deal if an agent engineered a situation against their clients wishes. The player could sack them straight away, and they would find it difficult to recruit clients in the future.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

honestly 'ITK' people like you are the reason people doubt the likes of spursmad who come along rarely, who have real solid information.

I would say it is people like you who scare off the genuine people with info with your cynicism, by the way.

 

[Rammy Blue]

That issue, I think, is one of the problems City will have to face at some point. The huge gap between the wages of your new acquisitions and the rest of the squad. Before you know it the agents for the "vastly underpaid" majority will be banging on Cook's office door demanding raises.

As for players waiting to get older to prove themselves before asking for bigger pay, it's nice to imagine that but it's far from reality. Professional athletes have a very short period of time in their lives when they can make their fortune and it can be cut even shorter by injuries, bad career choices, etc so no one in the modern footballing world would bide their time trying to be modest. Players nowadays are owned by agents who dictate the terms and plan of action,simple as that.

You make good points, but I hate the argument about football players having a short amount of time to make their money...
A bit of math: 18 - 33 years "working as a footballer = 15 years times 52 weeks times £25k/week = bloody £19.5m!
£50k/week = £39m!

Footballers are absolutely loaded with cash, even if you're on £10k/week you're still making an average yearly wage in just 7 days! There is absolute NO DANGER of footballers not being able to sustain themselves after finishing playing. Unless you waste it all away on drugs/cars/investments, in which case you're a moron...

The reason they want more cash is human nature, you get accustomed to a certain life-style then you not only want to sustain it but you want MORE MORE MORE.

but what you miss out mate is that ending a career at 33 means you have got approx 40/50 years of life left where in an ideal world a footballer doesn't want to have to go out and find a new job.

of course some go on to management but i am confident that someone like JT will be looking at our 5 year salary/endorsements package of circa £100 mil and thinking "that sounds good"......

don't kid yourself for one minute that JT won't be motivated by his bank balance, more the "fear" of Abramovich that will make him think twice about requesting a move.

 

[Dobsy87]

JOHN TERRY IS A PENIS WHY DOESN'T HE JUST MAN UP AND MAKE A DECISION? I DON'T MIND EITHER WAY; COME TO CITY, STAY AT CHELSEA, WHATEVER. BUT DECIDE SO WE CAN ALL MOVE ON. HE'S HAD WEEKS NOW, THE FUD.

 

[Cambridgeblue]

JOHN TERRY IS A PENIS WHY DOESN'T HE JUST MAN UP AND MAKE A DECISION? I DON'T MIND EITHER WAY; COME TO CITY, STAY AT CHELSEA, WHATEVER. BUT DECIDE SO WE CAN ALL MOVE ON. HE'S HAD WEEKS NOW, THE FUD.

I'VE JUST FOUND THE CAPS LOCK KEY LOOK AT ME!