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shak said:
Karen are you really suggesting that people need to read the whole thread to understand whats going on? That's fucking ridiculous plain and simple.

Lets analyse just one page shall we?
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Post 2351 - Some bloke with no idea what is happening.
Post 2352 - Two posters having an argument.
Post 2353 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2354 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2355 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2356 - Standard where is ITK post.
Post 2357 - Totally inconsequential but funny.
Post 2358 - Two posters still having an argument.

My point is there wasn't one useful piece of information in this whole page and if I wasn't one of the people arguing I wouldn't have read through it all. The idea that you have to read the whole thread is absolute rubbish. I have plenty of ways of getting information, reading every post on here isn't required to know what is going on, don't talk to me like I'm a child just because you have 17000 posts and think you've got a big dick in your pants.

All I said about the club was if we think offering Napoli ultimatums to accept piss poor offers is going to be successful then we are being very naive and that is absolutely fucking true. I don't waltz up to your house and ask to buy one of your Kolarov nudes for 50 pence and then think starting a bloody stop watch is going to make you change your mind. They have a valuation and if we're not willing to go anywhere near it then we are wasting everyone's time. After all we're not haggling over a packet of crisps here are we?

Edit: well fair enough true blue beat me to the post so there is one bit of potentially useful information on here but you still don't have to read every post in the thread.
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If you didn't read them all, how would you know which ones to read?
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
Have you not considered the fact that our offer may look quite good when other factors come into play. Ancelotti will probably not need him, and next summer he will only have a year left. Better to sell him for 40-45 now than 20-25 next summer.

Of course this game relies on Jorginho wanting City only. Time will tell I guess.
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As I said before, he said last week he is happy at Napoli so would probably be happy to sign an extension and even then there are plenty of other clubs interested in his services.

Like you say, time will tell but I think its dumb of us to low ball. If Bill Gates rocks up at my door and asks to buy my car you better believe I'm adding 50% to the market value for him, and then if he said oh nah I'm only willing to pay what its worth and you have till Friday to make a decision I'd just tell him to do one, more than happy to keep it if you're not going to play the game.
 
shak said:
Karen are you really suggesting that people need to read the whole thread to understand whats going on? That's fucking ridiculous plain and simple.

Lets analyse just one page shall we?
Page 236:
Post 2351 - Some bloke with no idea what is happening.
Post 2352 - Two posters having an argument.
Post 2353 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2354 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2355 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2356 - Standard where is ITK post.
Post 2357 - Totally inconsequential but funny.
Post 2358 - Two posters still having an argument.

My point is there wasn't one useful piece of information in this whole page and if I wasn't one of the people arguing I wouldn't have read through it all. The idea that you have to read the whole thread is absolute rubbish. I have plenty of ways of getting information, reading every post on here isn't required to know what is going on, don't talk to me like I'm a child just because you have 17000 posts and think you've got a big dick in your pants.

All I said about the club was if we think offering Napoli ultimatums to accept piss poor offers is going to be successful then we are being very naive and that is absolutely fucking true. I don't waltz up to your house and ask to buy one of your Kolarov nudes for 50 pence and then think starting a bloody stop watch is going to make you change your mind. They have a valuation and if we're not willing to go anywhere near it then we are wasting everyone's time. After all we're not haggling over a packet of crisps here are we?

Edit: well fair enough true blue beat me to the post so there is one bit of potentially useful information on here but you still don't have to read every post in the thread.
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I have a dick? thats news to me lol
 
shak said:
Karen are you really suggesting that people need to read the whole thread to understand whats going on? That's fucking ridiculous plain and simple.

Lets analyse just one page shall we?
Page 236:
Post 2351 - Some bloke with no idea what is happening.
Post 2352 - Two posters having an argument.
Post 2353 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2354 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2355 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2356 - Standard where is ITK post.
Post 2357 - Totally inconsequential but funny.
Post 2358 - Two posters still having an argument.

My point is there wasn't one useful piece of information in this whole page and if I wasn't one of the people arguing I wouldn't have read through it all. The idea that you have to read the whole thread is absolute rubbish. I have plenty of ways of getting information, reading every post on here isn't required to know what is going on, don't talk to me like I'm a child just because you have 17000 posts and think you've got a big dick in your pants.

All I said about the club was if we think offering Napoli ultimatums to accept piss poor offers is going to be successful then we are being very naive and that is absolutely fucking true. I don't waltz up to your house and ask to buy one of your Kolarov nudes for 50 pence and then think starting a bloody stop watch is going to make you change your mind. They have a valuation and if we're not willing to go anywhere near it then we are wasting everyone's time. After all we're not haggling over a packet of crisps here are we?

Edit: well fair enough true blue beat me to the post so there is one bit of potentially useful information on here but you still don't have to read every post in the thread.
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Sorry mate! I can always delete!;) by the way, dont want to get in between the disagreement but if the reported 40mil offer is correct then I also think its crazy to think Napoli would ever agree to that, when that offer is well below market value for DM's this summer....Hopefully its a starting point and negotiations are still on-going. I think we just using the press to put the pressure on Napoli, which I think is very predictable and unlikely to work unless we get creative with that 2nd bid. Everyone is reporting that talks are still going on, so we could still hear something over the next few days, weeks or months!;)
 
BlueCityfan said:
Di marzio and the UK media seem to have completely different info.
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Agree mate.....Maybe Napoli briefing Italian press and we briefing uk press? Di Marzio seems more positive about this deal but UK press seem to think we playing hardball and looking at plan B's.....guess we'll find out soon whos right!;)
 
So it seems the state of play is something along the lines of

1. We are still negotiating price.....disparity between out offer and What Napoli want - we have had one offer rejected (but here hasn't been a second offer that some media reported).
2. Rumours that Zinchenko might be included in the deal to meet the Napoli demands (personally I think thats bloody harsh on the lad - who performed very well for us last season and completely out of position). However some media reporting that Naoli are not up for a player to be involved going the other way
3. We wont wait for too long (Maybe a week) until we move onto other targets (Kovacic from Madrid or Lamina from Southampton) - this could be bullshit as we have the whole summer to sort this out - though Pep reportedly wants everything done in the next two weeks so could also be accurate. Other repots suggest Ndombele is another possible target.

Personally think the other two lads (kovacic and Lamina - who was impressive against us) look better fits to me.....though they aren't the quarter back that Pep seems to want and are probably closer skill set to Dihno (Which we have established Jorginho isn't a replacement for - he is more of a Yaya replacement)
 
shak said:
Karen are you really suggesting that people need to read the whole thread to understand whats going on? That's fucking ridiculous plain and simple.

Lets analyse just one page shall we?
Page 236:
Post 2351 - Some bloke with no idea what is happening.
Post 2352 - Two posters having an argument.
Post 2353 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2354 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2355 - Totally inconsequential.
Post 2356 - Standard where is ITK post.
Post 2357 - Totally inconsequential but funny.
Post 2358 - Two posters still having an argument.

My point is there wasn't one useful piece of information in this whole page and if I wasn't one of the people arguing I wouldn't have read through it all. The idea that you have to read the whole thread is absolute rubbish. I have plenty of ways of getting information, reading every post on here isn't required to know what is going on, don't talk to me like I'm a child just because you have 67000 posts and think you've got a big dick in your pants.

All I said about the club was if we think offering Napoli ultimatums to accept piss poor offers is going to be successful then we are being very naive and that is absolutely fucking true. I don't waltz up to your house and ask to buy one of your Kolarov nudes for 50 pence and then think starting a bloody stop watch is going to make you change your mind. They have a valuation and if we're not willing to go anywhere near it then we are wasting everyone's time. After all we're not haggling over a packet of crisps here are we?

Edit: well fair enough true blue beat me to the post so there is one bit of potentially useful information on here but you still don't have to read every post in the thread.
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Brilliant post, haha.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Sorry mate! I can always delete!;) by the way, dont want to get in between the disagreement but if the reported 40mil offer is correct then I also think its crazy to think Napoli would ever agree to that, when that offer is well below market value for DM's this summer....Hopefully its a starting point and negotiations are still on-going. I think we just using the press to put the pressure on Napoli, which I think is very predictable and unlikely to work unless we get creative with that 2nd bid. Everyone is reporting that talks are still going on, so we could still hear something over the next few days, weeks or months!;)
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Aha no worries at all was bound to happen as soon as I started writing down numbers!

Exactly, think all of us get a bit too blinkered by the city perspective and don't think about it from the other side. He's easily worth more than the 40-45 million to them and they have a precedent for getting maximum fees for their lads. If they suddenly start giving away bargains people will come sniffing around Insigne, Ghoulam, Diawara, Koulibaly like seagulls to an ice cream van.

I hope you're right and we are briefing the press but equally I hate it when other clubs do that. Isn't using the press what we love to rip on the dippers for? I thought we had more class than that.
 
domalino said:
He talks about holding midfielders and defensive midfielders all the time in the book, I don't know why anyone would think it goes against the idea of him having a defensive midfielder. Lahm going there was the biggest decision of the season, then he decided he needed 2 holding midfielders not 1, he was converting Javi Martinez from holding midfielder to centre back etc.

"He's the best defensive central midfielder in the world." - Guardiola on Busquets playing pretty much the role of our guy at the base of midfield.

‘He is one of the best holding midfielders I’ve ever seen in my life by far. He’s the level of Xabi Alonso and Sergio Busquets.’ - Being generous with the praise for Carrick.

I don't know where this semantic debate has arisen from over the last few days that Pep either a) doesn't want/use a defensive midfielder or b)Jorginho isn't a defensive midfielder but it's all a load of shite, seemingly coming about because people can't work out that a 6'3'' clogger in the middle of the park isn't the only type of defensive mid.

Jorginho is a holding midfielder, Fernandinho is a holding midfielder. Both have different strenghts and weakness, sometimes both might play, otherwise it'll be horses for courses.


As for the point you bring up with headers - you're right that Fern has become our main defender of aerial balls, with the CB's mopping up the knock downs, or picking up the runners rather than challenging the target man themselves which is what was happening before that Leicester City game when they murdered us getting the second ball every time. With Jorginho that might have to be reversed, putting someone like Laporte on the big man, and having Jorginho mop up and the other CB track any runners.

What will be interesting to me is if that change is made permanently or just when Jorginho is playing. I don't like the idea of CB's having to switch half way through a match or from game to game because I can already see Stones/Otamendi not realising they were supposed to track the runner this time and some relegation candidate team scores against us when someone is 1v1 from a flicked on header.
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Also s I've discussed with various folk on here, I really would like to see what happens if they both play. Not all the time obviously, but with Jorginho's flair on the ball, we probably won't always need both KDB & Silva in the same team.

It might take a few games to blow away the cobwebs, but Fern was more of a No 8 at Shakhtar of course, with a midfield 'sweeper' cleaning up behind him. And had it not been for the fact that Yaya can't defend well enough in the Prem to play at 6, Fernandinho might never have settled into this holding position he now plays.

I think we have some really interesting combinations to experiment with, if we sign Jorginho & Mahrez.
 
Interesting to know how much Zinchenko's price changing the deal if he is included in it. We think maybe 40m is realistic for him, we might go up to 40m+5m bonus in a straight deal.

Cant see them accepting something like 25m+Zinchenko. Would be huge negotiating from Txiki. If its anything like 40m+Zinchenko than we pretty much paying what we think he worths + Zinchenko on top.
 
Wolfkin said:
Seems like Napoli are upping the price every week..
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That doesn't matter, pay what they are asking and if they up the price pay that. If they then want more we can always pay a bit more. Bluemoon tactics for buying a player, it works every time.
 
(Daily question).. is it done yet?

(I see a lot for anger and arguments, calm down peeps, its not end of the world if dont get Jorginho. We amassed 100 points with what, 22 players last year, and we have got 16 of them in World cup. If that isnt enough for you to cope with, then i dont know what is. Relax, everything will be fine)
 
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