Jose for City? (merged)

[Didsbury Dave]

Because he knows he'll never catch Barca, and that's what he's judged on in that job.

Catch Barca in which way Dave?
Do you mean that they'll be the pre-eminent team in Spain with the best production line of young talent complimenting well chosen signings to produce a whole that dominates domestic and European football year-in year-out or just a short term thing such as an isolated Champions League victory, maybe KO'ing Barcelona on the way?
I would not bet against the latter. I firmly believe that Barca will not reach the CL final this year and that JM will be in an incredibly strong position come the end of May.

I wouldnt put it past him, and I can't say it doesn't worry me, mate.

I've been rooting for Inter's opponents all comptetion.

They will meet BArca in the semi, no doubt. City's immediate future could rest on that game...

 

[fbloke]

I hear that £100m of that has to be held in cash as part of the bond issue.

So it can't be touched.

Oh.....Didn't know that! Gill didn't mentioned that did he?!!!!!

Puts a slightly different focus on the cash pile that they are consistently on about as a positive.

A covenant that states you HAVE to keep cash on hand also suggests that they dont trust the owners that much either ;-)

 

[lancs blue]

Just curious - does anyone have a decent argument for why Mou will leave Madrid this summer...to my mind, I find it inconceivable that he'd walk away after one season....

He may not leave voluntarily, Real Madrid have been known to sack a manager who'd just won La Liga (Capello) so if Mourinho wins neither that nor the CL he may be on shaky ground.

Interesting that a lot of posters refer to Real Madrid as just "Madrid" but get uptight if others refer to the rags as just "Manchester". Imagine how the Atletico fans feel... ;-)

 

[Damocles]

It's funny that over on the proper Real Madrid forums, they actually have the same debate going that we do, apart from they want Mourinho to go because they say he's overly cautious and doesn't get on with the players.

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[Didsbury Dave]

It's funny that over on the proper Real Madrid forums, they actually have the same debate going that we do, apart from they want Mourinho to go because they say he's overly cautious and doesn't get on with the players.

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Great news!

 

[Anonymous]

It's funny that over on the proper Real Madrid forums, they actually have the same debate going that we do, apart from they want Mourinho to go because they say he's overly cautious and doesn't get on with the players.

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If Mou's team at Madrid is overly cautious, then we play in reverse...;- )

Regarding all the comments about Mou leaving because he knows he can't catch Barca - forgive me for being skeptical, but he strikes me as an incredibly competitive man. I don't see why the challenge of catching Barca wouldn't inspire him rather than make him want to leave...

 

[Didsbury Dave]

It's funny that over on the proper Real Madrid forums, they actually have the same debate going that we do, apart from they want Mourinho to go because they say he's overly cautious and doesn't get on with the players.

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If Mou's team at Madrid is overly cautious, then we play in reverse...;- )

Regarding all the comments about Mou leaving because he knows he can't catch Barca - forgive me for being skeptical, but he strikes me as an incredibly competitive man. I don't see why the challenge of catching Barca wouldn't inspire him rather than make him want to leave...

He's competitive but he's ego-driven and proud.

Maybe he's looked at the politics, finance and structure in place at Real Madrid, and maybe at Barca, and thought "I've made a big mistake here".

Kind of like Steve Coppell did ;-)

There are some who believe the stabbing incident never happened...make of that what you will.

 

[Deepest Blue]

Its interesting to look at the changing odds for Jose's next club.
On SkyBet odds for Jose's next club:
On 10/3/11 he was 8/1 to go to either City or Chelsea but 9/4 favourite to be next United manager.
Today he is 4/1 to come to City but 7/2 to go to either United or Chelsea.

The bookies are plugged into the rumour mill mate.

Quite correct, they are, but if they knew anything concrete they wouldn't be offering 7/2 joint fav's.

As Tolm has alluded to the big cards have yet to be played and anyone claiming definitive knowledge of how the managerial merry-go-round will spin in the next few months is deluded.

What do odds compilers do? Predict outcomes of markets?
No they do not. They divide the money. They make a book to guarantee that their firm makes a profit from that market no matter what the result is.
At the moment the hot money is on JM going to Chelsea or City so the layers have cramped the odds but left the bet sufficiently attractive to rope some punters in to balance their liabilities that they have on him going to the Rags which they have been holding for many months.
They are cute enough to ask peeps to bet on his next club rather than where he'll be on say 01 July 2011 as the truth is he'll probably still be at RM hence they can hold onto your stake money for up to 3 years without paying any of it back if he stays, maybe more.

 

[Damocles]

It's funny that over on the proper Real Madrid forums, they actually have the same debate going that we do, apart from they want Mourinho to go because they say he's overly cautious and doesn't get on with the players.

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If Mou's team at Madrid is overly cautious, then we play in reverse...;- )

Regarding all the comments about Mou leaving because he knows he can't catch Barca - forgive me for being skeptical, but he strikes me as an incredibly competitive man. I don't see why the challenge of catching Barca wouldn't inspire him rather than make him want to leave...

Ha, the Italians on ForzaInter forum used to whinge because Mancini wasn't attacking enough and let in too many goals. Here's a few direct quotes from his first proper season:

Moratti and Faccheti will sack him if:
- we don't finish 3rd
- don't get through Porto(who in fact just scored against Benfica )
- Argues with star players like Adriano, Vieri, Recoba and Toldo...

Doesn't learn from his mistakes, stubborn, clueless defensively.

We can't keep on changing coaches, the management has to step in and tell him to f off. We aren't a family business where you can hire your buddies.

I don't know what to say, we just have to keep him and kick out his buddies. Simple as that, and this means Vieri and Veron. Stan is good and has future, Veron has lost it man.

I'm very disappoint Mancini. even many Inter fans also disappont Mancini. one of the Mancini's huge fault is wasted Recoba,Emre,Davids,Burdisso great talent and tactic fault. of course Moratti again moron calciomercato action.(example: no buy great CB,LB or Totti,Ronaldinho,Kaka like Trequartista)

i dont like Mancini ... the only thing i like at him ... is that he like playing a attacking football ... i dont know how he doesnt play with Emre , Davids , Recoba , Materazzi , Burdisso ... every trainer would like to have them in their team ... i think Inter should change him ... maybe with Hitzfield or Ranieri ...

(Ranieri was their Mourinho by the way)

A year later....

MANCINI...I would keep as long as we are performing and he has the players within his control.

Maybe like alot of us i didnt like some decisions of his but i give him complete credit on a job FANTASTICALLY done.

So for me MANCINI is the MAN...

I hope he will stay and sign new contract,This season is ****in unbeliveable great.

mancini needs to sign a new deal!

for one thing, hes as great as mourinho is or can be

mourhinos style of playing is way less exciting to watch

Mancini is an excellent manager I am happy with him and I am sure this group of players will continue to grow with him.

I am quite impressed with Mancini. In my opinion, he has come a long way from the coach that took over a couple of seasons ago. I believe he has slowly progressed and developed with every passing season.

In his first season we managed to win the Italian Cup. In his second season we won the Italian Cup and the Scudetto and this season we are going for the Scudetto and our third consecutive Italian Cup.

If Mancini stays on, the natural progression will be the Champions League next season. But the big question is whether he has not signed because he has plans to leave and coach elsewhere or whether he is simply stalling on contract negotiations until the Scudetto is secured so he can negotiate a better contract.

Well, Mancini may not be the miracle coach, but he has worked wonders, after all. He is still young, and has a great many years to go in an attempt to master the European game. As it stands, his proficiency in the domestic league has proven his worth; not many coaches can lay claim to winning streaks 17 games long, massive points between their leading teams and her nearest challengers, et al.

This is why I'm somewhat aloof about it all, I've seen this exact progression before.

 

[Anonymous]

If Mou's team at Madrid is overly cautious, then we play in reverse...;- )


Maybe he's looked at the politics, finance and structure in place at Real Madrid, and maybe at Barca, and thought "I've made a big mistake here".

That is the argument...but even with the politics, i just don't see his pride allowing him to walk away having finished behind Barca...and then, and I mean this also with all due respect - to leave to come to City...hmmm.

Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but we went through all this, this time last season, and I think ultimately we ended up keeping Mancini because we had all our eggs in Mou's basket. I genuinely hope that this time round, we're a little more pragmatic in terms of making sure that we have a couple of other (long term) options, if, it's been decided that Mancini must go...