Josko Gvardiol

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Deepest Blue said:
May:We're the best run club in the world. Treble winners, net spend is healthy. Txiki is brilliant.

July: WTF are our Directors doing? All our targets are getting snapped up by our rivals while we're penny pinching.

Just trust the ones who got us here. They know what they're doing.
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Nice thoughts but good luck on convincing some on here. Some you never will and others could give a yo-yo lessons.
 
Wouldn’t surprise me if Leipzig directors approach of putting it all out on media has made Txiki and co. push back and maybe even consider to step away. Certainly the expectation would have been to negotiate a fee since there’s no release clause, but the director stating a €100m fee will be making him the most expensive defender handed to Guardiola, surely causes a fuss when City have given no word to Leipzig on the fee being realistic, and explicitly stating it in the media to pressurise City can only backfire. Get a feeling like past deals they could be ready to walk away from this. Eerily similar to Koulibaly, once ADL started quoting a specific price to the media, despite terms agreed, City just backed out and then looked at Kounde, eventually getting Dias.

p.s. no signs of flapping just yet. Maybe!
 
richards30 said:
Yeah that was strange mate as if we wanted everyone to know we were rolling in it? Stranger then we wimped out against the arse for Rice? And now seemingly are offering around £18m less than what Leipzig want for Josko while making huge profits on younger players?? Just get the Gvardiol deal done then take it from there with the squad.
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It’s punitive posturing that sets the tone for the future, it’s a good business policy.
 
Deepest Blue said:
May:We're the best run club in the world. Treble winners, net spend is healthy. Txiki is brilliant.

July: WTF are our Directors doing? All our targets are getting snapped up by our rivals while we're penny pinching.

Just trust the ones who got us here. They know what they're doing.
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Why do the two terms have to be mutually exclusive? We had an incredible season and are an exceptionally ran club but that doesn't change the fact that our directors are currently dilly-dallying over signing the best young defender in the world. And I would argue that we are penny-pinching. We are, as per reputable reports, in our strongest ever financial position, and the player is basically on his knees waiting for us to get the deal done.

We use the likes of Koulibaly, Maguire, Pogba, as empirical metrics that our "walk away" policy is infallible, but that's foolish for two reasons:

1.) We were interested in the aforementioned players, and just because they failed at their respective clubs doesn't mean they'd have been fated to fail at City. I personally think Pogba would have been a success here.

2.) It's a policy that will one day backfire. I'll stick my neck on the line and say if we do miss out on Gvardiol, for the sake of an extra £10m, we'll regret it. Who's to say we wouldn't have an extra league or CL title if we'd have bitten the bullet on Van Dijk?
 
Mon Autre said:
Find it q funny when fans think he should just throw another £10m at a deal seemingly on the basis that they're a bit bored cos there's no footie and need something to be excited about.
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My Granddad used to say, It doesn't sound much when you say It quick!
 
EL APACHE TEVEZ said:
Just give them the million extra they want ffs
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I am certain City have limits for every transfer so give them chance to earn their bonuses.

After all we have been self sufficient for several years so it is up to them not Sheikh M how they spend. He simply approves their business plan and they share in any profits I suppose?
 
leo_city said:
Wouldn’t surprise me if Leipzig directors approach of putting it all out on media has made Txiki and co. push back and maybe even consider to step away. Certainly the expectation would have been to negotiate a fee since there’s no release clause, but the director stating a €100m fee will be making him the most expensive defender handed to Guardiola, surely causes a fuss when City have given no word to Leipzig on the fee being realistic, and explicitly stating it in the media to pressurise City can only backfire. Get a feeling like past deals they could be ready to walk away from this. Eerily similar to Koulibaly, once ADL started quoting a specific price to the media, despite terms agreed, City just backed out and then looked at Kounde, eventually getting Dias.

p.s. no signs of flapping just yet. Maybe!
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I Personally think this deal gets done... Leipzig saying the price publically wont affect it. Its been common knowledge that the fee has had to be a world record fee for a defender for a while. The player has handed in a transfer request and Leipzig are activly trying to sign his replacement. Think this gets done next week with leipzig being back for pre season so will want their new players through the door asap.
 
Keep Laporte, give this one a miss and save ourselves €70 odd millions in net transfer fees. Had we received £50-60 bid for Laporte, then that would had been a different story.

Fee we are quoated for Gvardiol €100 Mill
Fee we are quoated for Laporte €30 Mill

The differential is just too big.
 
Cityinmyheart said:
Keep Laporte, give this one a miss and save ourselves €70 odd millions in net transfer fees. Had we received £50-60 bid for Laporte, then that would had been a different story.

Fee we are quoated for Gvardiol €100 Mill
Fee we are quoated for Laporte €30 Mill

The differential is just too big.
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Mate this one’s a replacement for Laporte ain’t it. Laporte is 29 after all, won’t get any better than he is. Which is still quite good, but we are moving forward with a player like Gvardiol potentially who could be amongst the best for years if he improves and carries on this trajectory.
 
Still not particularly fussed. If Laporte leaves then we need a new centre-back but it doesn't have to be Gvardiol. I'm almost always happy for us to walk away if we don't like the price, it's ultimately the best way to run a club.

We will clearly need to pay more than we did for Rodri, Laporte and Dias, but something somewhere in that region sounds about right to me. £95m is a bit steep.
 
Cityinmyheart said:
Keep Laporte, give this one a miss and save ourselves €70 odd millions in net transfer fees. Had we received £50-60 bid for Laporte, then that would had been a different story.

Fee we are quoated for Gvardiol €100 Mill
Fee we are quoated for Laporte €30 Mill

The differential is just too big.
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This again. Why are you bothered about how much we spend net? It's like many of our fans want to appease the media and the rest of the football community, but the dye was cast years ago; we could spend net £0 over the next five years and nobody will give a fuck.

Although I do agree, the Laporte fee is scandalously low.
 
Blue and true said:
This again. Why are you bothered about how much we spend net? It's like many of our fans want to appease the media and the rest of the football community, but the dye was cast years ago; we could spend net £0 over the next five years and nobody will give a fuck.

Although I do agree, the Laporte fee is scandalously low.
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At this point i think its about book value, wages and a squad place allowing us to bring Gvardiol in? It seems Laporte has a book value or between £10-15m so say £30m is his fee its a £15m profit on the books for FFP.
 
Deepest Blue said:
May:We're the best run club in the world. Treble winners, net spend is healthy. Txiki is brilliant.

July: WTF are our Directors doing? All our targets are getting snapped up by our rivals while we're penny pinching.

Just trust the ones who got us here. They know what they're doing.
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This.

I think the Club’s management team have proven that they’re pretty good at this transfer thing. Let the pros do their job.
 
Cityinmyheart said:
Keep Laporte, give this one a miss and save ourselves €70 odd millions in net transfer fees. Had we received £50-60 bid for Laporte, then that would had been a different story.

Fee we are quoated for Gvardiol €100 Mill
Fee we are quoated for Laporte €30 Mill

The differential is just too big.
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This is why i won't be too upset if we don't get him. I like Gvardiol but if that falls through i agree that keeping Laporte is just fine. He's given his all for us.
 
leo_city said:
Mate this one’s a replacement for Laporte ain’t it. Laporte is 29 after all, won’t get any better than he is. Which is still quite good, but we are moving forward with a player like Gvardiol potentially who could be amongst the best for years if he improves and carries on this trajectory.
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29 is the new 33 it seems. Didnt CB usually start peaking at 28-29. None of our CB's currently are in 30's so no real urgency to refresh or get the squad age down. Will be the best in the future and great potential were the words also said about Mangala and Nastasic who came here with great reputations, not to mention they were also left footed Centre backs.
 
OntarioBlue said:
This.

I think the Club’s management team have proven that they’re pretty good at this transfer thing. Let the pros do their job.
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I don't think anyone's stopping them from doing their job and as much as I like Bluemoon, I don't think it's influential in terms of transfer strategy. It's a forum, people will post contrasting opinions, who gives a fuck
 
Cityinmyheart said:
29 is the new 33 it seems. Didnt CB usually start peaking at 28-29. None of our CB's currently are in 30's so no real urgency to refresh or get the squad age down. Will be the best in the future and great potential were the words also said about Mangala and Nastasic who came here with great reputations, not to mention they were also left footed Centre backs.
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Laporte can't defend wide anymore, isn't tenacious like Dias in the centre and can't do what Stones does. He doesnt fit the way Pep is setting us up, which is part of why he had such little game time. It makes sense for both parties if he goes.

It's sad though, he's a brilliant player and single-handedly kept the defence together at the end of 21/22.
 
Ajm1985 said:
Laporte can't defend wide anymore, isn't tenacious like Dias in the centre and can't do what Stones does. He doesnt fit the way Pep is setting us up, which is part of why he had such little game time. It makes sense for both parties if he goes.

It's sad though, he's a brilliant player and single-handedly kept the defence together at the end of 21/22.
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Pep is ever evolving and is already onto his 5th-6th system. Who is to say is he wont change the system again and would not want a player like Laporte. Stones was nowhere to be seen in 21-22 season but was instrumental for us last season.
 
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