Outside of his footballing ability, what do you think of him?
That’s a brilliant post, Gordon, I completely agree with everything you said in it.Bringing racism into this is ridiculous. People who rightly fight racism can't agree what racism is.
Take Bernie and his cartoon character of mendy. Compare to ganancho posting mojo of a silver back gorilla to Onana. To me one was harmless fun, the other using a gorilla was not.
The problem with playing the racism card to often is it makes the problem of racism worst. Also as with Bernie and ganancho both being treated differently when both should have the same. Even people who fight racism can't decide what is or isn't.
For me Garnacho incident was worse then Bernie, using a gorilla to represent a black man is just so wrong. But Garnacho wasn't punished. This is way i find racism confusing.
I saw Bernie as a joke no worse then posting a picture of Tin Tin as KDB, I didnt see it as racism. But using a silver back gorilla towards a black keeper is ok.
I emailed 'kick out racism' for their view, didnt reply.
As for bellend for me its not about racism, that never entered my mind. It's because I have never seen him play well, his 'look at me' when he scores is all about him not the team. To me he is vasty over rated as a footballer and comes across as a twat who thinks he is brilliant.
I personally blame him, taa and southgate for Foden being poor last season. Phil went into that camp as player of the year, came back a shell of the player he is.
I find parallels in the Bellingham discussion with those re Jofra Archer. The media would have us believe that both of them are the final pieces in us having winning teams as they are generational talents. However fans do not buy into the hype but judge them on their actual performances when playing for England. Most fans today have seen enough football or cricket to know when a player is a special talent. Fans as such have no vested interests in the way that the media have. Some fans do let club loyalties role over in football but they are in a minority and in cricket it's a non-existent issue.
So as I see it player criticism is not based on race but on a rebellious spirit which lets the media know we will not be hoodwinked into believing a player is a generational talent but we will judge him on performance and the respect he shows to his fellow professionals and the officials on the pitch
If that's all you take out of it so be it.To be fair that's a lot of words just to say he's a bit of a ****.
Which he has consistently failed to do, hence the reason the average football fan has such a negative opinion of him. Why Wright had to bring racism into it I'll never know, because that has nothing to do with it. Bellend would be a **** regardless of his colour, so Wright's comments were ill-advised at best.we will judge him on performance and the respect he shows to his fellow professionals and the officials on the pitch
I find parallels in the Bellingham discussion with those re Jofra Archer. The media would have us believe that both of them are the final pieces in us having winning teams as they are generational talents. However fans do not buy into the hype but judge them on their actual performances when playing for England. Most fans today have seen enough football or cricket to know when a player is a special talent. Fans as such have no vested interests in the way that the media have. Some fans do let club loyalties role over in football but they are in a minority and in cricket it's a non-existent issue.
So as I see it player criticism is not based on race but on a rebellious spirit which lets the media know we will not be hoodwinked into believing a player is a generational talent but we will judge him on performance and the respect he shows to his fellow professionals and the officials on the pitch
Can you expand it to show the one we won please otherwise some might think we are serial losers:-)
Michael Jordan, OJ Simpson, Carl Lewis, Mayweather the Goat....... list is endless, like Wrighty but thats some bollocks he spouted.Did he really fucking say that? The first football shirt I ever owned (1970) was a Brazil shirt with the number 10 on the back.