Jude Bellingham

Kippax Street 1880 said:
True, one was a 'political gesture' no idea what but all the Turks in the comments seem apocalyptic with rage it's been classed as offensive. One grabbed his cock and thrusted it towards the opposition bench.
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But the rule comes under both gestures. offensive or political and should have the same punishment
 
Kippax Street 1880 said:
True, one was a 'political gesture' no idea what but all the Turks in the comments seem apocalyptic with rage it's been classed as offensive. One grabbed his cock and thrusted it towards the opposition bench.
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turkey's defence is : ''wolf is a symbol of turks.. it is not political'' which is right. it is a symbol for thousands of years... no political background. you can consider it as ''three lions'', or german eagle etc.

the other side is stating that, including many turks:
''yes, wolf is not politcal, but this wolf gesture with hand dates back only to 1990s, which has a political background''
they are also right.
uefa is standing on that side. and taking this gesture as political.
i am not making any comments here as a turk.

but the argument is just about that.
 
kerem gokmen said:
turkey's defence is : ''wolf is a symbol of turks.. it is not political'' which is right. it is a symbol for thousands of years... no political background. you can consider it as ''three lions'', or german eagle etc.

the other side is stating that, including many turks:
''yes, wolf is not politcal, but this wolf gesture with hand dates back only to 1990s, which has a political background''
they are also right.
uefa is standing on that side. and taking this gesture as political.
i am not making any comments here as a turk.

but the argument is just about that.
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Seems harsh, I'm not massively clued up on Turkish politics myself but I got the impression it was sort of a 'national gesture' rather than something with massively negative connotations like a Nazi Salute (bad analogy I know but I can't think of another politically charged hand gesture).
 
Kippax Street 1880 said:
Seems harsh, I'm not massively clued up on Turkish politics myself but I got the impression it was sort of a 'national gesture' rather than something with massively negative connotations like a Nazi Salute (bad analogy I know but I can't think of another politically charged hand gesture).
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even it is political or not; UEFA just promoted that gesture :)))
tomorrow 50K turks are probably going to do that gesture in stadium.
even the Turks who were finding the gesture offensive until recently, are symphatized with the gesture.

also there is a diplomatic crysis at the moment. turkish president is flying to Germany...
tomorrow will be a long day :)))
 
SebastianBlue said:
Now Southgate can show he is actually the England manager and drop Bellingham…
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That’s not going to happen.

He’s far too conservative to get the best out of the abundance of attacking talent at his disposal.

His remarks about not having Kalvin Phillips available proves that beyond doubt.
 
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