Judging Liverpool - How far away are we?

Ducado said:
S04 said:
Consistency...That´s what we lack to challenge the top teams.

This and the ability to beat cloggers

I totally agree, if you look at the current league table, we have only managed to beat Sunderland away from home this season out of the teams currently in the bottom half of the league, although we still have to play Spuds away from home. Just to remind everyone how shit we've been on our travels. Bolton lost, Hull Drew, Newcastle Drew, Portsmouth lost, Stoke lost, Blackburn drew, Middlesbrough lost, WBA lost. Thats a total of 3 points from eight games (24 points), and is the reason we are not challenging higher up the league.
 
Lots of interesting points of view here.

The other thing I would add is that we played out of our skin yesterday. Awesome performance. And Liverpool didn't play particularly well and were without Gerard. And they still managed a draw.

Shows there is still quite a gap if you ask me.
 
goat boy said:
masterwig said:
I think it is more productive to compare ourselves to Villa.

Man for man I'd say we are at least even. But their performances have been miles ahead of ours. We have to look at why that is. It is easy to say the difference is simply that O'Neill is a better manager but I think that perhaps the difference is more complex than that. O'Neill has had more time at the club to mould the team. Having never been involved in professional football I couldn't say how long it takes to put major changes in place but it may well take longer than 8 months. Sven got off to a flyer and that has possibly hurt Hughes' reputation. However, I think that in those glorious early days with Sven we were a very fragile team and rode our luck a lot. Once the luck started to go against us and injuries etc mounted up we could all see how weak the team really was.


@ Falling Star, I always had the Liverpool system as something like this:

GK

RB CB CB LB

DM DM

AMR AMC AML

ST

Perhaps with the likes of Alonso given a defensive midfield job but with a touch more freedom to move forward. Gerrard as the AMC, with the likes of Babel, Benayoun and Kuyt being asked to play on the 'wings'. Wingers is actually a misnomer here, as the AM 3 is very narrow, and you don't seem to see the FBs pushing on so much.

IMO this makes Liverpool a bit of a one trick pony, so if you come up against a team like City which is generally very good at dealing with stuff coming through the middle but very easily embarrased by attacks from the flanks (look how you scored), you'll tend to struggle. The red filth's succes is built on being able to score using a wide vareity of different types of 'play'. Ie the high ball/ direct route down the middle, crosses into the box from wide, counter attacks, through balls into the channels, etc etc. They're better at exposing a weakness in a defence. The twats.

Well yes I suppose thats more like it, I just lumped in the DM's with the AMR and AML to make a 4-4-1-1 but you get my drift. Your variation is more indicative of how they would shape up in an attacking sense but either way, both formations lack genuine width unless the full backs get forward constantly. One trick pony, yes I agree, apart from when Gerrard is floating between midfield and the forward areas as he is the one player capable of producing something from nothing in any part of the field. Sadly, when Gerrard is missing in action or injured then the whole team tends to struggle and relying so heavily on one player does not bode well for a title challenge. I still think its a miracle that Liverpool are in 2nd place although Chelsea are getting their second wind and Villa are coming up on the rails. Personally I think the battle is about staying in 2nd place and holding those two teams off rather than chasing the rags
 
just reminds me of when we beat a poor arsenal team, liverpool had several players who are just not up to liverpool standard think, beny,lucas and that idiot who s claiming the own goal
 
LazyArse said:
I'm sure once you buy the league you'll be right up there, but it will mean nothing. You might hate us but we are a self made big club and will always have a bigger standing in the game.

Liverpool have spent £215,490,000 between 2004 and 2009, which averages out at about £45million per season. Just because Benitez likes to sign 12 year old Spanish forwards for a couple of million each doesnt mean that you arent spending lots of money. Please dont try and make Liverpool seem like the perfect English clubs with loads of people coming through your academy, Its bollocks.

Reina 6m

Arboela 2.5m
Carragher 0m
Skertl 6m
Dossena 7m

Benayon 5m
Mascherano 17m
Lucas 9m
Riera 9m

Kuyt 9m
Torres 26m

Total of 96.5m


Given 7m

Richards 0m
Dunne 3m
Onohua 0m
Bridge 10m

Robinho 32m
De Jong 15m
Kompany 6m
Zableta 6m
Ireland 0m

Bellamy 12m

Total - 91m


Oh look your starting line up cost more than ours. Now run along and play in a bin
 
Richard said:
LazyArse said:
I'm sure once you buy the league you'll be right up there, but it will mean nothing. You might hate us but we are a self made big club and will always have a bigger standing in the game.

Liverpool have spent £215,490,000 between 2004 and 2009, which averages out at about £45million per season. Just because Benitez likes to sign 12 year old Spanish forwards for a couple of million each doesnt mean that you arent spending lots of money. Please dont try and make Liverpool seem like the perfect English clubs with loads of people coming through your academy, Its bollocks.

Reina 6m

Arboela 2.5m
Carragher 0m
Skertl 6m
Dossena 7m

Benayon 5m












































































Mascherano 17m
Lucas 9m
Riera 9m

Kuyt 9m
Torres 26m

Total of 96.5m


Given 7m

Richards 0m
Dunne 3m
Onohua 0m
Bridge 10m

Robinho 32m
De Jong 15m
Kompany 6m
Zableta 6m
Ireland 0m

Bellamy 12m

Total - 91m


Oh look your starting line up cost more than ours. Now run along and play in a bin

THIS is rape :) Well done on shutting that scouse **** up :)
 
I could have even gone on to the bench where theres cost roughly £20m whilst ours came in at around 9m.
 
So its not just buying good players then , Liverpuddle have done that and still fall short.

Its how they are put together, playing a shape that lets them do their thing, and tactic`s, not just on the pitch, but what team is selected depending on the opponants.........all a managers job.
 
Richard said:
LazyArse said:
I'm sure once you buy the league you'll be right up there, but it will mean nothing. You might hate us but we are a self made big club and will always have a bigger standing in the game.

Liverpool have spent £215,490,000 between 2004 and 2009, which averages out at about £45million per season. Just because Benitez likes to sign 12 year old Spanish forwards for a couple of million each doesnt mean that you arent spending lots of money. Please dont try and make Liverpool seem like the perfect English clubs with loads of people coming through your academy, Its bollocks.

Reina 6m

Arboela 2.5m
Carragher 0m
Skertl 6m
Dossena 7m

Benayon 5m
Mascherano 17m
Lucas 9m
Riera 9m

Kuyt 9m
Torres 26m

Total of 96.5m


Given 7m

Richards 0m
Dunne 3m
Onohua 0m
Bridge 10m

Robinho 32m
De Jong 15m
Kompany 6m
Zableta 6m
Ireland 0m

Bellamy 12m

Total - 91m


Oh look your starting line up cost more than ours. Now run along and play in a bin

Well said. Scousers are such fucking hypocrites.

But back to the question of this thread, I really don't think you lot are that far off at least a top 4 spot. You have a decent(ish) squad and with the addition of a good spine I think you'll be up there challenging. Our back to back titles were hugely reliant in Cech, JT, Lampard and Drogba. I know we needed big contributions from the likes of Joe Cole and Robben and Gallas etc, but those four were the main players. You now have Given - and you have Ireland, Robinho & SWP as players that can turn a game - I think you just need a good centre back pairing (obviously NOT Richards!) and a 20 goal a season striker.

Liverpool without Gerrard and Torres are not worth a wank.
 
CFCnibs said:
Richard said:
LazyArse said:
I'm sure once you buy the league you'll be right up there, but it will mean nothing. You might hate us but we are a self made big club and will always have a bigger standing in the game.

Liverpool have spent £215,490,000 between 2004 and 2009, which averages out at about £45million per season. Just because Benitez likes to sign 12 year old Spanish forwards for a couple of million each doesnt mean that you arent spending lots of money. Please dont try and make Liverpool seem like the perfect English clubs with loads of people coming through your academy, Its bollocks.

Reina 6m

Arboela 2.5m
Carragher 0m
Skertl 6m
Dossena 7m

Benayon 5m
Mascherano 17m
Lucas 9m
Riera 9m

Kuyt 9m
Torres 26m

Total of 96.5m


Given 7m

Richards 0m
Dunne 3m
Onohua 0m
Bridge 10m

Robinho 32m
De Jong 15m
Kompany 6m
Zableta 6m
Ireland 0m

Bellamy 12m

Total - 91m


Oh look your starting line up cost more than ours. Now run along and play in a bin

Well said. Scousers are such fucking hypocrites.

But back to the question of this thread, I really don't think you lot are that far off at least a top 4 spot. You have a decent(ish) squad and with the addition of a good spine I think you'll be up there challenging. Our back to back titles were hugely reliant in Cech, JT, Lampard and Drogba. I know we needed big contributions from the likes of Joe Cole and Robben and Gallas etc, but those four were the main players. You now have Given - and you have Ireland, Robinho & SWP as players that can turn a game - I think you just need a good centre back pairing (obviously NOT Richards!) and a 20 goal a season striker.

Liverpool without Gerrard and Torres are not worth a wank.

Your starting to grow on me Mr. Chelsea man.

;-P
 

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