Julian Weigl

supercity88 said:
I respect your opinion but the difference between Yaya and Silva is that Yaya's game is a mix of technical ability with pace/power/fitness. The latter aspect has gone and with it, his impact as a box to box midfielder is dying as well. Silva's game has always been about intelligence and technical magic. He's never been the quickest or the fittest player but he gains the extra yard and finds space because of his intelligence. He won't lose that and will therefore be able to make an impact until an older age theoretically.

Where City are failing this season is because of the lack of intensity in midfield. Lampard knew he was done as a box to box player so he matured and evolved his game to save energy and then use it in the right areas. He was always an intelligent midfielder. Steven Gerrard was all energy and commitment and when his fitness went he didn't have the intelligence Lampard did to perform at such a high level. Most great players have been able to adapt. Vieira did so by only making a few box to box runs a match later in his career.

The manager has to acknowledge when a player is done and play him in a certain way. Yaya should be being played off the bench and should be protected so he doesn't need to waste energy tracking runners. He can't do it and he sure as hell won't. With De Bruyne also not too keen on tracking back we're unbalanced so the need for a player like Weigl seems obvious. I believe Fernando is a good enough option but he's having to cover so much ground where others aren't pulling their socks up. No one can cope. Even Fernandinho struggles and he's superman.
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I have not suggested that Silva will be done in 2 years. But common sense suggests that a historically injury prone diminutive playmaker over the age of 30, is less likely to be any less injury prone at 33 than he was at 28. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely, no.

Pep didnt go get Douglas Costa because Robben or Ribery are done. Both are still phenomenal on their day. But rather than use emotion, he stuck to common sense.

Both were injury prone at their peak, and both are now in their 30s. So he brings in Coman, and Costa. Neither of the 'C' boys are better than the 'R' boys. But only an emotional fan who isn't thinking logically will conclude, don't bring in the young studs coz we have 2 superstars who are barely 30 and could play for 5-6 more years.

Sure Silva is probably always going to be great at what he does. But for how many fewer games each season as he gets older? And when that happens what should we do?

Anyway, I have been the worst here derailing this thread that should be about Wiegl. So I'll sheat my sword on the issue henceforth on this thread. I know Fantasyireland and a few others are getting annoyed by it already.

My apologies for derailing the thread. But I make no apologies for the substance of my opinion.

@karen7 oh stop. You gonna ask when I started watching football next?
 
Dax777 said:
I have not suggested that Silva will be done in 2 years. But common sense suggests that a historically injury prone diminutive playmaker over the age of 30, is less likely to be any less injury prone at 33 than he was at 28. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely, no.

Pep didnt go get Douglas Costa because Robben or Ribery are done. Both are still phenomenal on their day. But rather than use emotion, he stuck to common sense.

Both were injury prone at their peak, and both are now in their 30s. So he brings in Coman, and Costa. Neither of the 'C' boys are better than the 'R' boys. But only an emotional fan who isn't thinking logically will conclude, don't bring in the young studs coz we have 2 superstars who are barely 30 and could play for 5-6 more years.

Sure Silva is probably always going to be great at what he does. But for how many fewer games each season as he gets older? And when that happens what should we do?

Anyway, I have been the worst here derailing this thread that should be about Wiegl. So I'll sheat my sword on the issue henceforth on this thread. I know Fantasyireland and a few others are getting annoyed by it already.

My apologies for derailing the thread. But I make no apologies for the substance of my opinion.

@karen7 oh stop. You gonna ask when I started watching football next?
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Don't apologise Dax your entitled to your opinion a lot of what you have said makes perfectly common sense. Silva is class but we do have to look a step ahead it's the way the top teams stay ahead of the game.good post
 
I know in General it's been exceptionally quiet in the transfer thread this window but from what I can see has had no itk imput whatsoever, @Ric even had some imput in the sane thread to confirm our interest in a summer move but all we have heard has come from the German press, does anyone know if we are actually interested?
 
Dax777 said:
I have not suggested that Silva will be done in 2 years. But common sense suggests that a historically injury prone diminutive playmaker over the age of 30, is less likely to be any less injury prone at 33 than he was at 28. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely, no.

Pep didnt go get Douglas Costa because Robben or Ribery are done. Both are still phenomenal on their day. But rather than use emotion, he stuck to common sense.

Both were injury prone at their peak, and both are now in their 30s. So he brings in Coman, and Costa. Neither of the 'C' boys are better than the 'R' boys. But only an emotional fan who isn't thinking logically will conclude, don't bring in the young studs coz we have 2 superstars who are barely 30 and could play for 5-6 more years.

Sure Silva is probably always going to be great at what he does. But for how many fewer games each season as he gets older? And when that happens what should we do?

Anyway, I have been the worst here derailing this thread that should be about Wiegl. So I'll sheat my sword on the issue henceforth on this thread. I know Fantasyireland and a few others are getting annoyed by it already.

My apologies for derailing the thread. But I make no apologies for the substance of my opinion.

@karen7 oh stop. You gonna ask when I started watching football next?
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That's all well and good but you sepcifically said "Ship out Silva for Isco".

Which is not what you say is "common sense" or what Pep did at Bayern. @supercity88 summed it up pretty well.
 
Damocles said:
Silva could play until he's 145 because none of his game is based on athleticism.
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145! Fuck me, is he a Galapagos tortoise?

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pudge said:
That's all well and good but you sepcifically said "Ship out Silva for Isco".

Which is not what you say is "common sense" or what Pep did at Bayern. @supercity88 summed it up pretty well.
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Yeah, I did. My thrust was for older stars to be replaced by up and coming younger ones. Pogba for Yaya,Isco for Silver,Wieygl for Fernando, Sane for Navas etc.
That was clearly clarified with my posts that followed. But since labeling is a big pastime here, folks are getting caught up on 'ship out'.

This I find particularly interesting. Why is it okay that I want Zab and Yaya shipped out but not Silva. Haven't all 3 been great for City? I want the best for City just like anyone else. If my views on how to achieve that clashes with those of others, so be it. It's not a wum just coz I don't agree with the view of some. Yes, if it was a choice btw Isco and Silva for City's future, yes I'd take Isco. I understand others will go a different route. But that's fine. Just like they think I'm wrong , I think they are too.

Do I think Isco will be better than Silva in 2 years? Yes I do, hence why I want him here, even if at the expense of Silva.
 
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