Just Stop Oil protests

[Kinkybyname]

Yet more attempted sophistry and further evasion - I'll give you this, you are consistent. Two weeks, three? Throw me a bone...

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Theres plenty of other options than just wind though and it’s not just about energy production, it’s about reduction of usage too. There’s a shedload of housing estates gone up near me and it amazes me what we allow people to build still.

Like I said, it’s about limiting how fucked we are. Even if the government stopped subsidising companies for the exploration of new fossil fuels, given the obscene profits that are made from it, and used that to reinvest in insulation or further research into renewables would be a start. When it comes to transport, it’s not just about the switch in cars either, it’s overhauling public transport too.

I’d rather they set a crazy target and tried to hit it and fail than continue to tread water though.

I know there’s plenty of other options, I was just giving you an example of the task it would take.

Basically we’re fucked aren’t we if we believe the experts.

 

[Kinkybyname]

Yet more attempted sophistry and further evasion - I'll give you this, you are consistent. Two weeks, three? Throw me a bone...

 

[meltonblue]

I know there’s plenty of other options, I was just giving you an example of the task it would take.

Basically we’re fucked aren’t we if we believe the experts.

Well, us less than others given where we live. Like I said earlier in the thread though, people might need to get used to more immigration :)

 

[Kinkybyname]

So, I've done some scientific Googling, and I've decided I need to make a stand by cutting my carbon emissions/footprint. On Saturday, I'm off to buy a diesel-powered car (I can't afford the new earth-saving types) but I have decided against having another kid, which is far more damaging. Surely that shows I care... I'm trying, god damn it!

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

The whole “the Earth is just doing its thing as it always has” is not a particularly compelling argument… considering the Earth wasn’t habitable for humans for about the first 4 billion years of its existence. One would think it wise not to accelerate a return to that state of affairs, as we are currently doing. Letting the Earth “do its thing” is akin to setting a pack of wolves loose in a primary school.

When people refer to ‘saving the planet’ they’re not talking about the lump of iron and nickel flying through space. They’re referring to the delicate ecosystems of life for which we have literally no other examples of in the universe. The ecosystems which anthropogenic climate change is dismantling. If people fancy the idea of going back to being a baron rock hosting single-celled organisms then more power to them, but I think I’d rather keep things as they are if possible.

 

[BlueMonkey79]

So, I've done some scientific Googling, and I've decided I need to make a stand by cutting my carbon emissions/footprint. On Saturday, I'm off to buy a diesel-powered car (I can't afford the new earth-saving types) but I have decided against having another kid, which is far more damaging. Surely that shows I care... I'm trying, god damn it!

All about the economics mate. Which some people on here are totally not grasping.

Who is going to pay for all these wind farms and renewables or other ways of "clean energy?"... In a world that is already economically fucked.

 

[Kinkybyname]

The whole “the Earth is just doing its thing as it always has” is not a particularly compelling argument… considering the Earth wasn’t habitable for humans for about the first 4 billion years of its existence. One would think it wise not to accelerate a return to that state of affairs, as we are currently doing. Letting the Earth “do its thing” is akin to setting a pack of wolves loose in a primary school.

When people refer to ‘saving the planet’ they’re not talking about the lump of iron and nickel flying through space. They’re referring to the delicate ecosystems of life for which we have literally no other examples of in the universe. The ecosystems which anthropogenic climate change is dismantling. If people fancy the idea of going back to being a baron rock hosting single-celled organisms then more power to them, but I think I’d rather keep things as they are if possible.

Great... the question remains for how long can we maintain this, that's all I want to know? By the way, i think it is a very compelling argument - "letting the earth do its thing"? - incredibly arrogant to think we can stop this. Maybe in the immediate future, but as I said before, it's like extending a terminally ill patient's pain and misery for one more day. If people see anything other than this, then I admire their optimism.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

So the oil stops. What then. Who's paying for it's replacement. Where's the infrastructure to support eco alternatives. How quick do they want it stopping. Tomorrow, next week, 5 years, 10 years?

This shows that you haven't understood their message at all. Their aim is to stop the government from issuing new oil and gas production/exploration licences. Do you support the UK government expanding oil and gas, or do you think it should stay as it is and gradually be scaled back as we replace it with renewables as well as reducing consumption through better insulation of homes and buildings? If it's the latter, then you support Just Stop Oil's aims. If it's the former, then you not only have to explain why oil and gas is going nowhere any time soon, buy why it's actually a future we should be investing even more money in.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Really?? Did I say that no!

Do you back illegal action?

If I didn't agree with something the governmentare doing, whatever it was, say for arguments sake the recent rise in corporation tax for small buiness, I supose it's OK for me to just stop you from going to work so i could make my point. You would be 100% fine with that would you?

@Bazzmand Show. Still waiting for your response to this point?