Kalvin Phillips

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Continually comparing him to Rodri, or even using Rodri as a benchmark is not helpful.

They are DIFFERENT players.
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Right, and it's unfair for Phillips because Rodri is on such a high level. If we even have another DM on the same level as Rodri, he wouldn't be happy playing backup.

Alot here (incl. me) gave Rodri pelters in his 1st season because he's no Dinho. Let's give a chance to Phillips to see what he can do with a run of games.
 
Akira said:
Right, and it's unfair for Phillips because Rodri is on such a high level. If we even have another DM on the same level as Rodri, he wouldn't be happy playing backup.

Alot here (incl. me) gave Rodri pelters in his 1st season because he's no Dinho. Let's give a chance to Phillips to see what he can do with a run of games.
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unfortunately with the pressure from the media - not to mention from city fans on here - Kalvin is on a hiding to nothing. Feel for the lad
 
Thought Pep's comments suggested under certain circumstances Phillips can do a good job for us. He also though suggested he's no good in tight spaces, which says to me that those circumstances might not come up very often.

All the players bought this season = good in tight spaces.
 
Sam Lee has some quotes from Kalvin in 'The Pathetic' today
Kalvin Phillips knows the situation.
“It’s probably the biggest week or so in my Man City career so far,” he says.
There is no ‘probably’ about it. If the 27-year-old is ever going to make a success of his time at the Etihad Stadium, then the seeds will have to be sown in this next run of games. His 2022-23 debut season at the club did not go as anybody expected: he made just 4 starts (2 of those coming in the Premier League after City had wrapped up the title with 3 games to go) and it became apparent that Pep Guardiola did not feel he could rely on him to start, or even come on as a substitute, in the vast majority of matches.So much so that City were open to him leaving in the summer, just 12 months after he arrived from Leeds United. Phillips did not want that, though, and has vowed to stay and make things work.
“When I came in for pre-season, I said I wanted to stay and give it another shot,” he revealed on Saturday. “In previous years a lot of players have done well in the second season and I had a talk with the club and they said that if I wanted to go out on loan they would be happy for me to do that. I just said no, it’s not something I am thinking of. I just want to concentrate on playing for Manchester City.”
 
Firstly I don’t think Kalvin is anywhere near good enough for us
But if he only ever comes in at 3-0 up or with the reserves like tonight, he really is on a hiding to nothing
Can’t tell me he couldn’t play at home for us against any bottom half team and look ok
I think pep needs to give him some minutes and then sink or swim
 
I hope he has a good game tonight. He's a lovely lad who has moved on from Leeds and clearly got stars in his eyes. He wasn't the right player for what we needed, but he's still a good player and I hope he can go and show that in a blue shirt. He's never going to be as good as Rodri, who is? But he can still make an impact. He needs to just be confident and go and show for the ball more, that's the main thing we need from him. Last season both Rico and Rodri got the ball taken off them when doing it, and it led to goals. Both against Spurs iirc. Maddison got robbed by Jesus and got away with it at the weekend. Jorginho in a much safer position got robbed of the ball and it led to a goal. These things happen, but you've got to keep getting into those positions and not go hiding away.
 
I think he can do a job here, but its got to be in a double pivot with someone else, Kovacic and Phillips will do a job, the lone DM role under Pep is so demanding.
 
cyan said:
Good to see that Pep was pleased with his contribution - but the fact that Pep also felt the need to bring on Ake and play with 5 at the back in order to get the sort of control he likes showed that in the game he didn't feel that Phillips could do that. And he didn't - he created a bit more chaos - snapping into tackles, disrupting passing lines, trying to carry the ball forward. The five behind him gave him the freedom to do that. Had anyone else seen sent off we wouldn't have played that way - because Rodri would have kept control and we could have controlled the ball further up the field. But he was, and so the tactics had to change to fit the players available. In the same way, our tactics against Newcastle and Wolves will need to be tweaked to accommodate Philips's style of play rather than Rodri's - and it will be intriguing to see what those tactics are and the personnel used.
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Did you hear Pep’s reasoning? He said Forest were getting wide overlaps too easily and brought Ake on to negate that from happening.

Nowt to do with Kalvin, just the symptom of having a player fewer.
 
I want him to do well and prove Pep wrong so badly… I’m hoping that’s Pep’s angle.

Hope he gets a massive cheer and a song from the start tonight, even if it’s something generic like “one Kalvin Phillips” can’t imagine anyone will come up with something that will stick in such a short time.
 
Good to see that there are some more benign opinions on here than usual. Look, if he's not good enough, he's not good enough. Let's see first, eh? This will I think be his first start in an important game against a good-level opponent. Very interested to see what he can do. Without fear nor favour.
 
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