Kalvin Phillips

iTyler said:
He was a bit crap and should have got sent off. Rice can play the holding position on his own, he's more than good enough to do that. England should be ditching the likes of Phillips and Gallagher and playing Maddison or Grealish instead from the start. We have the best attack in the world with a ridiculous amount of depth. Play to our strengths.
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I agree with every word....but if the manager insists on playing a premier league reserve centre back I can see his logic in putting as many holding players as possible in to protect him ; )
 
He was told to leave in Summer
Didn't leave there were offers likely and we could have recouped outlr fee. Now we will sell at £10 discount!?
 
kaz7 said:
Blame whoever wanted him at city and not kalvin himself, nobody given the chance he was, to stay in england and play for pep, turns it down tbf
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Like a lot of other Blues I actually thought for the price he was a decent signing. An England international, he was solid enough, had the odd decent long range pass in his locker and had room to improve. Sadly he's been a disaster to say the least. I've no idea whether it was his injury but he's gone backwards for sure. Both parties need to move on as quickly as possible.
 
I am fed up with hearing about Phillips, he was signed as cover for Rodri, but spent most of last season injured. He is a decent player but hasn’t had much chance to get involved. So after a slightly underwhelming performance for England, many City fans seem to want to get rid, so why are other clubs queueing up to buy him? If he leaves in January, we will know that Pep doesn’t see him as a prospect, but don’t fuel the rumours, he still has time to come good for us.
 
We should of heeded the biggest warning sign there was on the lad.
Gary Neville said he was England's best midfielder the season before we bought him.
Gary Neville who was once manager of Valencia ffs.
But seriously I feel for the lad and when he moves on I'll wish him to succeed in his career no matter where he goes
 
There is an Athletic article about England today which suggested its injuries that have prevented him playing for City. I know that was the case initially but it was weird there was no reference of skill level in the City context:


Realistically, the question should not be ifSouthgate ought to make this setup his plan A for next summer’s European Championship, but rather who partners Rice in this formation.

Phillips has been his first choice, but his injury record is poor, contributing to his limited time on the pitch. He has played just 26 times for Manchester City since joining before the start of last season, and those appearances only add up to 760 minutes — the equivalent of under nine 90-minute games. Only five of the 26 have been starts.

Southgate said that England “can’t carry players” in big games, and Phillips was the weakest of the midfield three on Tuesday. Inside a minute, he clattered Di Lorenzo with a high foot, was yellow-carded in the ninth minute for a clumsy tactical foul and was fortunate to not be sent off in the second half.
 
Staying this summer was a pretty dumb decision from him. Just pure delusion, ignoring every piece of evidence in front of his face that the manager doesn't trust you to lay the cones out let alone start a game. It's probably hard to accept a complete failure like this, but with england place on the line, youd think he'd get over all that and have moved on in the summer. Now he's going another 6 months without football just to be in the same spot
 
I don't see him playing a roll anywhere for a side in the PL, now. He brings absolutely fuck all to the party. It's a shame as I'd hope he'd backed his own ability and would push for a place. Looks like he's done neither.
 
What the media cunts don't seem to understand is that being English doesn't automatically mean you should be playing every week, not as if he was ever going to get ahead of Rodri who let's be honest is the best DM in the world.
 
K-Bo said:
Staying this summer was a pretty dumb decision from him. Just pure delusion, ignoring every piece of evidence in front of his face that the manager doesn't trust you to lay the cones out let alone start a game. It's probably hard to accept a complete failure like this, but with england place on the line, youd think he'd get over all that and have moved on in the summer. Now he's going another 6 months without football just to be in the same spot
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Spot on.
Very poor career planning by his agent/management as well. Not facing reality is sheer incompetent. Kalvin seems to lack some good advice, or he refuses to listen.
 
It could still change, I think too many people look for the negatives, he might be an asset between now and the next window, so let it lye a little and see what happens in the next ten weeks. A lot of football to be played and we can’t afford to ignore players who are obviously capable of doing a job. Some seem to expect Phillips to be a Rodri clone, he was never going to be that, but with a fully-fit squad and the return of Kev, things could change very quickly, just like they did with Jack
 
The thing is, he decided to stay in the Summer which is absolutely fine - that's his perrogative given the contract we gave him, we can't force him out and he did get a chance recently with Rodri suspended. Probably the chance he was thinking he might get when mulling over staying.

But he didn't take it. Simple as that.

It's a shame because I thought he'd be perfect but he's just so static when in possession and buzzes about when out of possession. Essentially the opposite of what we/Pep want in a midfielder. Compare to Rodri who never seems to break sweat and controls matches by reading the game well and being clever in his movement. Brain over legs.

Hopefully he gets his move in January and hopefully Paqueta's investigation (which has gone quiet!) is done by then too so we can make an obvious swap + cash deal happen.
 
I do think his own confidence plays a part. He looks like a frightened rabbit when he’s playing for us, has contributed to a couple of soft conceded goals and his scanning seems forced. His first touch isn’t brilliant but the lad can definitely find a pass. His lack of game time makes him look sluggish, which he is putting down to exactly that. I think it’s actually much more than that. He doesn’t appear to be technically capable both physically and mentally to play Pep’s style of football. At Leeds he was outstanding breaking play up and then playing a fast ball forward, we seldom do this. Ours is a more considered approach, waiting for an opportunity to exploit space having moved the opposition team about.
I would still love for the lad to come good and prove a lot of doubters wrong but sometimes you just have to shake hands and move on. Time will tell how Kalvin and Pep see this over the next 8 or 9 weeks.
 
AshtonBlueMooner said:
I think it’s actually much more than that. He doesn’t appear to be technically capable both physically and mentally to play Pep’s style of football. At Leeds he was outstanding breaking play up and then playing a fast ball forward, we seldom do this. Ours is a more considered approach, waiting for an opportunity to exploit space having moved the opposition team about.
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Good points, he's certainly a very good player for me, but he's not Rodri, he maybe can be a useful stand in but he's still learning it, and for me showing signs he can

I doubt he'll be hear after January though, but I hope he stays and learns.
 
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