Kalvin Phillips

christened at st marks said:
Not suited to our system our mistake, I'd give a free transfer to get the 150k per week off the books
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I find it really strange that we signed the player who seems to be so at odds with our requirements and standards.

If he was at some point showing the qualities we were looking for, because he was surely watched, what has happened to cause such a dramatic change ? Can his initial injury have affected his confidence/mentality ?

I suppose it could be a matter of confidence where he feels overawed by the quality of the players around him, but having played in the England squad ( whatever thoughts about that ) and performed quite well, it seems odd.

Perhaps Pep's attitude towards him after returning overweight has affected him?

Obviously going on loan was a disaster for him too, and yet without any disrespect intended to West Ham, apart from probably trying too hard to impress, I would have expected him to have settled there better.

A permanent solution has to be found away from City, for the good of both parties, and as soon as possible imo.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
Even if a team got him for free, they might struggle to pay his wages.
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Especially after his shit show loan spell at West Ham.

I think that was the final nail in the coffin for hoping someone would match his wages here, even if they got him for free or very cheap.

I think now it sinply comes down to him willing to take a pay cut to go and play football, or keep the same wages and not play, ambition basically.

Maybe another loan spell at a newly promoted side. He shouldn't feel above that. Ross Barkley rejuvenated his career at Luton by putting in good performances. He's got a move to Villa out of it. His wasn't a loan spell of course, but it does no harm to shine in a team that may not even stay up.
 
Mad_fer_it said:
He's got midtable written all over him.
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I think that's a stretch to be honest.

No disrespect to the lad, but he's had 1 good league in the Premier League in his career, which was his first. His second season with Leeds in this league he was injured a lot and didn't play well. Before those seasons he was a championship player. After those seasons he joined us and struggled and he was god awful at West Ham on loan.

So if you wanna look at it realistically, he's only had 1 decent season in this league, and the rest of his good seasons were in the second tier. You could say that about players like Patrick Bamford too, he also had a good season in this league but it's not like he's truly a premier league quality striker.

Looking at it as a whole, you can make a case for Phillips not really being premier league quality. He's not too far off 30 and had one decent season in the top flight.

Of course it sounds harsh but looking at the facts, you could make a bigger case for him not being Premier League quality than him being a mid-table Premier League player because there's some good midfielders in the Premier League throughout the league
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
I find it really strange that we signed the player who seems to be so at odds with our requirements and standards.
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It certainly is a strange one.

I remember plenty on here, myself included, being a bit baffled his signing at the time.

From what I'd seen of him, he didn't have the ability to play for us. I wasn't sure where he would or could fit in.

Of course, you trust the club and recruitment because they've forgotten more about football than most of us will ever know. But I suppose even the best misjudge things now and again.

It's not even like it didn't pan out over a period of time. Pep seemed to suss out VERY early he wanted him nowhere the first 11 in a game that mattered.
 
At this point I would just take the financial loss and let him go for whatever price....

He is taking up a squad place that we need for a player who can actually contribute and not look totally out of place when on the pitch...

Clearly a nice guy but he is nowhere near the level he needs to be.

Take the loss and move on as he is taking up a squad place
 
Crooked_rain said:
It certainly is a strange one.

I remember plenty on here, myself included, being a bit baffled his signing at the time.

From what I'd seen of him, he didn't have the ability to play for us. I wasn't sure where he would or could fit in.

Of course, you trust the club and recruitment because they've forgotten more about football than most of us will ever know. But I suppose even the best misjudge things now and again.

It's not even like it didn't pan out over a period of time. Pep seemed to suss out VERY early he wanted him nowhere the first 11 in a game that mattered.
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Agreed.

It was very early on that I think Pep realised he wasnt good enough and the final nail in the coffin was when he returned from the England camp and Pep said he wasnt fit....at that point phillips career was over at city and that was pretty early on iirc
 
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