Kamala Harris

[ChicagoBlue]

This is the attitude that you see on here all the time as well. That around 50% of the electorate are beyond hope. That may or may not be true but the question that hasn't been answered for me is why? Why are around 50% of the electorate willing to put up with Trump and his messaging when it is all so clearly insane. I call bullshit on the stupid/uneducated argument, or the cult/ personality argument.

Then even if Harris wins, none of the underlying cause is going away, in much the same way nothing has changed in 30 years for Minnesota guy. It will probably be exacerbated. And there is no guarantee that what comes after Trump won't be worse.

Put it down to complacency, arrogance and corruption of the political class over generations in my book. Oh yes, and a constitution that isn't strong enough to handle "bad actors". They deserve what they are getting, imho.

The rest of us don't.

I am with @gordondaviesmoustache on this, the USA is looking like a country that is pretty much fucked. If not next week, then within a generation unless there are big changes in the political system.

Who the fuck are “they” and why do you get to absolve yourself and point fingers?

Look around the entire fucking world and tell me that MORE PEOPLE are trying to get INTO any other country than the USA.

Then, tell me WHY?!

I always love to read the “holier than thou” crowd telling me how righteous they are while openly deriding and dismissing the MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE in a country that helped them NOT have to speak German and kowtow to Berlin and that has protected them from the USSR/Russia for the last 4 generations.

Give it a fucking rest!

And, while you’re resting up thinking about your ignorance and recency bias, tell us all about this German Royal Family than runs the country, the self-appointed Ruling Classes that permeate every institution and run it for the Plebs and the absolute rape and pillage of the working classes that has been going on in the UK for centuries.

America is a big fucking melting pot of people from everywhere doing everything. A fascist is trying to corral the weak and feeble, whose victim mentality plays into his fascist, authoritarian hands…just like it did to his hero back in the 30’s when his Daddy was a fan, too! Then, take a look at the BIG MONEY that supports him and ask yourself the simplest of questions…Why?

I love the “debates” that go on here, but it is so fucking lazy, and ignorant, to watch and listen to fucking blowhards from overseas, who barely know what the fuck real life is like in America, telling America and Americans they’re fucked! (Lots of “fucks” for emphasis! ;-) )

The sun set on the British Empire almost a century ago and, while I understand the longing to hold onto whatever remnants one can of feeling like an important player on the world stage, one needs to come to terms that Europe hates you and the people you export to their shores (just bring your money and fuck off home), Brexit told them everything they needed to know about the growing victim mentality in the country, and you just have to face the truth that, without the “Special Relationship” Britain is rapidly turning into a third rate country with increasingly less sway, influence or respect in the world.

Conversely, The U.S. Constitution is one of the greatest documents ever conceived and the experiment it has created is one of the greatest achievements in the history of the world. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, and I have detailed my own issues with it.

However, to sit in Britain and talk of America as a failing or failed state is the height of hypocrisy, irony and lack of self-awareness.

There is an ongoing threat to America by a wealthy, self-styled, autocratic, failed real estate developer, licensee who has used the “money is speech” edict of a bought and paid for SCOTUS to create a clear and present danger to the country.

We are going to see how this plays out in the next few days, and possibly weeks and months, but let’s hope not years.

If it does imperil the country, we WILL find out how strong the institutions are, and whether this young nation has learned its lessons from the tyrannical British and the response that created the greatest, most forceful nation on earth.

Let’s hope we don’t have to test the people that way, but we might, and we are not necessarily certain of how it might go.

That said, these are small probabilities heaped on small probabilities, because the vast majority of those with wealth and power rely on the stability of the US economic and financial engine to secure their own foothold in the world. That will not be easily given up, even if it pits billionaires against billionaires and real Constitutionalists against a wannabe dictator.

But, looking around the US and Britain TODAY, I’ll take whatever bet you’re willing to make that the United States will be around, and thriving, long after the last throes of Empire are forgotten and the reality of “modern” Britain has sunk in for those not understanding the term “circling the drain of history.”

Give me the beautiful countryside, City, a good meat pie, a bag of Lion’s Wine Gums (and my siblings) and beyond that I’m struggling to see the allure. Maybe, you see a similar narrative over here, but you’d be missing the most important thing(s) about America if you did.

Only a fool would write off America.

Are you such a fool?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Who the fuck are “they” and why do you get to absolve yourself and point fingers?

Look around the entire fucking world and tell me that MORE PEOPLE are trying to get INTO any other country than the USA.

Then, tell me WHY?!

I always love to read the “holier than thou” crowd telling me how righteous they are while openly deriding and dismissing the MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE in a country that helped them NOT have to speak German and kowtow to Berlin and that has protected them from the USSR/Russia for the last 4 generations.

Give it a fucking rest!

And, while you’re resting up thinking about your ignorance and recency bias, tell us all about this German Royal Family than runs the country, the self-appointed Ruling Classes that permeate every institution and run it for the Plebs and the absolute rape and pillage of the working classes that has been going on in the UK for centuries.

America is a big fucking melting pot of people from everywhere doing everything. A fascist is trying to corral the weak and feeble, whose victim mentality plays into his fascist, authoritarian hands…just like it did to his hero back in the 30’s when his Daddy was a fan, too! Then, take a look at the BIG MONEY that supports him and ask yourself the simplest of questions…Why?

I love the “debates” that go on here, but it is so fucking lazy, and ignorant, to watch and listen to fucking blowhards from overseas, who barely know what the fuck real life is like in America, telling America and Americans they’re fucked! (Lots of “fucks” for emphasis! ;-) )

The sun set on the British Empire almost a century ago and, while I understand the longing to hold onto whatever remnants one can of feeling like an important player on the world stage, one needs to come to terms that Europe hates you and the people you export to their shores (just bring your money and fuck off home), Brexit told them everything they needed to know about the growing victim mentality in the country, and you just have to face the truth that, without the “Special Relationship” Britain is rapidly turning into a third rate country with increasingly less sway, influence or respect in the world.

Conversely, The U.S. Constitution is one of the greatest documents ever conceived and the experiment it has created is one of the greatest achievements in the history of the world. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, and I have detailed my own issues with it.

However, to sit in Britain and talk of America as a failing or failed state is the height of hypocrisy, irony and lack of self-awareness.

There is an ongoing threat to America by a wealthy, self-styled, autocratic, failed real estate developer, licensee who has used the “money is speech” edict of a bought and paid for SCOTUS to create a clear and present danger to the country.

We are going to see how this plays out in the next few days, and possibly weeks and months, but let’s hope not years.

If it does imperil the country, we WILL find out how strong the institutions are, and whether this young nation has learned its lessons from the tyrannical British and the response that created the greatest, most forceful nation on earth.

Let’s hope we don’t have to test the people that way, but we might, and we are not necessarily certain of how it might go.

That said, these are small probabilities heaped on small probabilities, because the vast majority of those with wealth and power rely on the stability of the US economic and financial engine to secure their own foothold in the world. That will not be easily given up, even if it pits billionaires against billionaires and real Constitutionalists against a wannabe dictator.

But, looking around the US and Britain TODAY, I’ll take whatever bet you’re willing to make that the United States will be around, and thriving, long after the last throes of Empire are forgotten and the reality of “modern” Britain has sunk in for those not understanding the term “circling the drain of history.”

Give me the beautiful countryside, City, a good meat pie, a bag of Lion’s Wine Gums (and my siblings) and beyond that I’m struggling to see the allure. Maybe, you see a similar narrative over here, but you’d be missing the most important thing(s) about America if you did.

Only a fool would write off America.

Are you such a fool?

Hilarious. Stressing about next week?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Hilarious. Stressing about next week?

Nope. Chilling in my bed in Milan wondering when to get up and have some breakfast.

The people will decide and it will tell us who we are at the moment. I’ve spent my entire adult life trying to insulate myself from the negative effects of the political pendulum, and have pretty much succeeded, but I do have a couple of 20-something’s who have yet to do so, so I don’t want to waste 4 yrs watching a performative clown harming the country unnecessarily.

I’ve made my viewpoints on the Harris-Trump decision perfectly clear.

Now, I’ve also made my thoughts clear on your half-baked assertion that the US is somehow going to dissolve away its preeminence on the world stage because uneducated, easily swayed, mostly rural, Fox News watchers think Trump is some kind of savior, when any sentient mirror fogged can see he is a horrible con man, from his business “acumen” to his statesmanship to his strong man facade to his increasingly darker brown shoe polish face paint!

In a perfect world, neither candidate would probably lead their party, but in the imperfect world in which we live, there is one clear and obvious choice. I made my decision and cast my vote weeks ago, but my vote isn’t that important (I don’t think) because if Deep Blue Illinois goes Red, it’s all over before the sunsets on the 5th!

My question of you remains, though.

At that, I’m thinking some avocado toast and an omelette with some fruit and a latte & espresso shot, or two, followed by a nice walk around town in the fresh air, maybe even over to the Duomo, to help me cross the Atlantic this afternoon. You?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Nope. Chilling in my bed in Milan wondering when to get up and have some breakfast.

The people will decide and it will tell us who we are at the moment. I’ve spent my entire adult life trying to insulate myself from the negative effects of the political pendulum, and have pretty much succeeded, but I do have a couple of 20-something’s who have yet to do so, so I don’t want to waste 4 yrs watching a performative clown harming the country unnecessarily.

I’ve made my viewpoints on the Harris-Trump decision perfectly clear.

Now, I’ve also made my thoughts clear on your half-baked assertion that the US is somehow going to dissolve away its preeminence on the world stage because uneducated, easily swayed, mostly rural, Fox News watchers think Trump is some kind of savior, when any sentient mirror fogged can see he is a horrible con man, from his business “acumen” to his statesmanship to his strong man facade to his increasingly darker brown shoe polish face paint!

In a perfect world, neither candidate would probably lead their party, but in the imperfect world in which we live, there is one clear and obvious choice. I made my decision and cast my vote weeks ago, but my vote isn’t that important (I don’t think) because if Deep Blue Illinois goes Red, it’s all over before the sunsets on the 5th!

My question of you remains, though.

At that, I’m thinking some avocado toast and an omelette with some fruit and a latte & espresso shot, or two, followed by a nice walk around town in the fresh air, maybe even over to the Duomo, to help me cross the Atlantic this afternoon. You?

Still working? How old are you? I was retired at 45 and am now sitting by the swimming pool of my villa at a golf and country club in the north of Thailand, having lunch and ready to go up to my holiday home in the mountains for the weekend. Don't play the fucking successful man act with me. Salaried ****. Which hotel are you staying in, btw? Holiday Inn? I always stayed at the Principe di Savoia when I stayed in Milan.

Stay humble, stay humble

As for your previous post, the "they" in my first post was the political class in the US. I am sorry if the use of pronouns confused you. I will try to keep it simpler in future. The "rest of us" I referred to includes you and me. I hope that is the only demographic we share in common.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Still working? How old are you? I was retired at 45 and am now sitting by the swimming pool of my villa at a golf and country club in the north of Thailand, having lunch and ready to go up to my holiday home in the mountains for the weekend. Don't play the fucking successful man act with me. Salaried ****. Which hotel are you staying in, btw? Holiday Inn? I always stayed at the Principe di Savoia when I stayed in Milan.

Stay humble, stay humble

Too funny! Stay humble, you say? HAHA!
Thailand, you say? HAHA!
Salaried? I’m not salaried! I’m a humble union worker who gets paid by the hour and stays in safe, often American-brand, business class hotels while traveling for work…but I am just down the street from Principe, if that counts?! HAHA!

As for your previous post, the "they" in my first post was the political class in the US. I am sorry if the use of pronouns confused you. I will try to keep it simpler in future. The "rest of us" I referred to includes you and me. I hope that is the only demographic we share in common.

Yes, humbly, could please keep it simple for us uneducated, hourly working class folk, who apparently frequent Holiday Inns, if possible? Thanks.

As for demographics, I’m saddened we share any. Pool boy serviced you yet?

Time for breakfast. Toodles.

 

[oldius]

I am always somewhat amused at the notion of a self-proclaimed saviour of the rest of the world, and proclamations of evil from elsewhere. It always seems like a self-fulfilling, self-aggrandising gesture, and a profitable one at that. You see, if I proclaim swathes of the globe as evil and out to take over the rest of the world, and then I declare myself as the global saviour from tyrrany, backed by the media corporations that my friends own, I have a license to print money. I can sell the arms I produce to anyone - after all, I am just helping to protect the world. I can install political regimes in other countries that serve my aims - after all, I am just protecting the world. I can invade other countries, destroy their infrastructure and then provide all of the specialists I have to rebuild it; yes, you will have to pay but, after all, I am just protecting the world.

I am nearly sixty, and I grew up through the cold war, believing that capitalism was the only way. I believed that the whole of Eastern Europe was grey, poverty stricken and filled with people desperate to flee to the sunlit uplands that only the west could provide. I believed that a succession of US presidents really were saving us from global terror - a hidden enemy desperate to destroy us. What a load of old fanny.

It's about time we had someone normal in charge. Someone who believes in fairness and equity. Someone who is not desperate to create global enemies to enhance their own status. Someone who believes in peace and will try to deliver it through tough but fair diplomacy rather than tub-thumping, inflammatory rhetoric.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Too funny! Stay humble, you say? HAHA!
Thailand, you say? HAHA!
Enjoy the golf! HAHA!
Salaried? I’m not salaried! I’m a humble union worker who gets paid by the hour. HAHA!



Yes, humbly, could please keep it simple for us uneducated, hourly working class folk, who apparently frequent Holiday Inns, if possible? Thanks.

As for demographics, I’m saddened we share any. Pool boy serviced you yet?

Time for breakfast. Toodles.

:)

** Shakes head** The level of political discourse on this thread.

Now that we agree I am more successful than you, your answer to my question about the reasons why about 50% of the voting electorate is about to vote for Trump again is that they are "uneducated, easily swayed, mostly rural, Fox News watchers". That's it? And if that is it, or even if it isn't, how is it solved politically? And what happens if it isn't solved politically?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I am always somewhat amused at the notion of a self-proclaimed saviour of the rest of the world, and proclamations of evil from elsewhere. It always seems like a self-fulfilling, self-aggrandising gesture, and a profitable one at that. You see, if I proclaim swathes of the globe as evil and out to take over the rest of the world, and then I declare myself as the global saviour from tyrrany, backed by the media corporations that my friends own, I have a license to print money. I can sell the arms I produce to anyone - after all, I am just helping to protect the world. I can install political regimes in other countries that serve my aims - after all, I am just protecting the world. I can invade other countries, destroy their infrastructure and then provide all of the specialists I have to rebuild it; yes, you will have to pay but, after all, I am just protecting the world.

I am nearly sixty, and I grew up through the cold war, believing that capitalism was the only way. I believed that the whole of Eastern Europe was grey, poverty stricken and filled with people desperate to flee to the sunlit uplands that only the west could provide. I believed that a succession of US presidents really were saving us from global terror - a hidden enemy desperate to destroy us. What a load of old fanny.

It's about time we had someone normal in charge. Someone who believes in fairness and equity. Someone who is not desperate to create global enemies to enhance their own status. Someone who believes in peace and will try to deliver it through tough but fair diplomacy rather than tub-thumping, inflammatory rhetoric.

Hear, hear!

 

[west didsblue]

I'm sure the black community are happy she can turn it on and off when wanting to appeal to them. I'd find it mollycoddling, tacky and offensive.

Or situations like this?

Jaywalking officially legalized in New York City. Here's what it means for pedestrians.

Starting in February, New Yorkers will no longer be breaking the law when crossing the street in between traffic, and will no longer receive a fine for jaywalking.

www.cbsnews.com

It's all part of the democrat laws that when added up, are patently ridiculous

Only a complete fucking idiot would think that a new NYC law legalising jaywalking is a reason to vote in a criminal as President.

 

[tommybooth]

Jays not happy!!