Kamala Harris

[BobKowalski]

Call me old-fashioned, but I like to hug them afterwards.

A scholar and a gent...my cap is doffed.

 

[Ban-jani]

The best policy is to fucking ignore them. They are extremists and cultists.

Don't waste a single fucking minute of the next 4 years in some futile attempt to make radicalised idiots think you're the good guys. They don't care, they aren't listening.

Focus on the people who got you elected. Healthcare, reverse Trumps taxes on the middle class, give DC and PR statehood, help poor people, reform the prison system, student debt, green new deal etc.

There's this stupid myth that keeps being parroted that there are 70 million Trump supporters. It's a complete lie. 60 million people voted for McCain and Mitt Romney. That's how many Americans vote for the [R] next to the name, no matter what. There's 10 million Trump supporters in a country of 255 million voting age Americans.

Fuck them, they are an irrelevance. They will either hand democrats wins by being disenfranchised like in Georgia, or they will slowly grow up and fall out of the cult because without a leader it's doomed.

Meanwhile, the democrats will be doing things that make their lives better.

I’m guessing Biden’s messages of unity and being the President for all Americans should be forgotten.

The country needs to heal over the next few years and there will be an opportunity to deradicalise many people.

I am not talking about the terrorists that attacked the Capitol, I mean the majority of that 60+% of Trump supporters, who whilst haven’t committed a crime, still hold similar views those that have.

 

[metalblue]

Some things (like the hair care products) are simply a function of market forces though, and are an unrealistic and unfair barometer of an equal society, surely.

You are 100% right mate that it’s the market forces drive the demand and why would supermarkets take up shelf space in an area that has 99.9% white population. And maybe that creates geographically inequality (less work etc). But as a general principle if you have to travel further to get products based on the colour of your skin, it can not be called equal (explainable yes, equal no).

 

[domalino]

I’m guessing Biden’s messages of unity and being the President for all Americans should be forgotten.

The country needs to heal over the next few years and there will be an opportunity to deradicalise many people.

I am not talking about the terrorists that attacked the Capitol, I mean the majority of that 60+% of Trump supporters, who whilst haven’t committed a crime, still hold similar views those that have.

It doesn't matter. Actual Trump supporters, as opposed to Republicans who will vote for any R candidate, are a tiny fraction of the electorate.

You can win more votes overnight by expunging Marijuana convictions then you would if you converted every Trumpite.

There will be no healing in America, now or in the near future. These divisions are decades old and go right to the core of the country. Most Republicans believe Abortion should be illegal, LGBT don't deserve human rights and only the rich deserve healthcare.

These are 70+ year old divisions stoked by Christian Evangelism and nothing Joe Biden or any President can do will fix those divisions. You can't convince a 50 year old woman who's spent every Sunday her entire life being told that Abortion sends a baby to hell that people deserve the right to choose that. A lot of the justice issues are rooted in the aftermath of Jim Crow and slavery and have hundreds of years of baggage. The bloody civil war is still a divisive subject FFS.

The way you "heal" the county is by staying in power long enough to fix the issues and move the country forward the best you can before the Republicans come in to try and reverse your work, and hope that your success pushes the overton window enough that they can't repeal healthcare, or bring back lifetime prison sentences for 3rd marijuana possession charges.

 

[west didsblue]

It doesn't matter. Actual Trump supporters, as opposed to Republicans who will vote for any R candidate, are a tiny fraction of the electorate.

You can win more votes overnight by expunging Marijuana convictions then you would if you converted every Trumpite.

Not sure that's the case.
When you look at the surveys of Republicans, many more support Trump than support the GOP as a whole. To be fair a lot of the sensible ones have dropped their GOP allegiance while Trump is there but there's tens of millions that haven't, and have openly expressed their support for him rather than the party.

 

[domalino]

Not sure that's the case.
When you look at the surveys of Republicans, many more support Trump than support the GOP as a whole. To be fair a lot of the sensible ones have dropped their GOP allegiance while Trump is there but there's tens of millions that haven't, and have openly expressed their support for him rather than the party.

Do you remember when United fans would go to the ends of the earth defending Mourinho? Mourinho over Pogba, Mourinho over Martial, if Mourinho says McTominay is great then so do I.

As soon as he's gone, they revert. Now Mourinho was shit, Ole is the man.

IMO It's the same with Republicans. They will support Trump until they have a new leader. It's the same tribalism, the same blind loyalty. Winning is more important than who you vote for.

 

[west didsblue]

Do you remember when United fans would go to the ends of the earth defending Mourinho? Mourinho over Pogba, Mourinho over Martial, if Mourinho says McTominay is great then so do I.

As soon as he's gone, they revert. Now Mourinho was shit, Ole is the man.

It's the same with Republicans. They will support Trump until they have a new leader. It's the same tribalism, the same blind loyalty.

If that was the case, the Republicans in congress would have got rid of him at the first impeachment. Unless they're clueless morons, which is also a possibility.

 

[BobKowalski]

You are 100% right mate that it’s the market forces drive the demand and why would supermarkets take up shelf space in an area that has 99.9% white population. And maybe that creates geographically inequality (less work etc). But as a general principle if you have to travel further to get products based on the colour of your skin, it can not be called equal (explainable yes, equal no).

In part, but with respect to black women and hair it’s also ignorance/indifference, because no other demographic spends as much on hair products as black women. The market is there, but most companies chose not to cater for it.

 

[Ban-jani]

It doesn't matter. Actual Trump supporters, as opposed to Republicans who will vote for any R candidate, are a tiny fraction of the electorate.

You can win more votes overnight by expunging Marijuana convictions then you would if you converted every Trumpite.

There will be no healing in America, now or in the near future. These divisions are decades old and go right to the core of the country. Most Republicans believe Abortion should be illegal, LGBT don't deserve human rights and only the rich deserve healthcare.

These are 70+ year old divisions stoked by Christian Evangelism and nothing Joe Biden or any President can do will fix those divisions. You can't convince a 50 year old woman who's spent every Sunday her entire life being told that Abortion sends a baby to hell that people deserve the right to choose that. A lot of the justice issues are rooted in the aftermath of Jim Crow and slavery and have hundreds of years of baggage. The bloody civil war is still a divisive subject FFS.

The way you "heal" the county is by staying in power long enough to fix the issues and move the country forward the best you can before the Republicans come in to try and reverse your work, and hope that your success pushes the overton window enough that they can't repeal healthcare, or bring back lifetime prison sentences for 3rd marijuana possession charges.

Well you’re talking to someone who is Pro-Life and Christian, I want to extend human rights to the unborn, rather than remove it from anyone.

I am currently in an Evangelist Church online, as my local Anglican Church is shut for Covid. My friend who is a leader there, who invited me during lockdown, is left wing and certainly doesn’t hate anyone.

Christian Evangelism isn’t the issue, it’s a politics of hate, which is fundamentally unchristian and more far right.

Anyway, don’t want to derail the thread into a theology discussion, I think the Hillary tactic of calling all these people “basket of deplorables” is exactly what we shouldn’t be doing.

You are quite right about the historical division in the country but I am sure you will agree it’s got significantly worse from Obama’s time in office and before, I am merely saying the process should be to try and reverse that and the Democrats do seem to want to do that, Biden certainly does and is taking a step away from Hillary’s tactic of just casting them into the bin.

To be very clear, the responsibility here is on Trump supporters to heal the division, I am not absolving them of their guilt or their responsibility, I am just saying everyone else should leave the door open for them when they want to grow up and purposefully trying to antagonise them is going to help no one.

Also, just to be very clear on this, I don’t mean those involved in the coup or wider violence, they should be thrown in jail.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

She will be the next president. I can't see Biden finishing his tenure.

You cant see Joe Biden doing 4 years?