The problem is that I like many others who want a progressive, socialist leaning govt have no one to vote for. We have been lied to by Starmer and his ilk. So what do we do?Unfortunately even though the Labour members voted for a change/discussion about a change Starmer has decided he's not for that kind of nonsense in his party.
That is just another reason why some should really question the guy they are supporting. But he's not a Tory so posters from Manchester as an example with big labour majorities will still vote Labour.
You know just to get the Tories out innit:-)
Withington was Lib Dem for 10 years between 2005 - 2015 and will be a target seat for them at the next election.The problem is that I like many others who want a progressive, socialist leaning govt have no one to vote for. We have been lied to by Starmer and his ilk. So what do we do?
I live in the Withington constituency which will be a Labour seat and in fact I probably will follow your advice to vote for who I believe in and end up not voting. A vote for Labour makes no difference. But that’s not the way it should be
So no point anyone voting...Name the general election based on a coin toss or anywhere near ever. This is quite simple if someone would prefer a better political system and more honest politicians why would they vote Tory or Labour. As an individual knowing your vote will not matter and having a choice why?
The fact you insist on sticking with the my vote may alter the result only shows you have no other valid reasons.
So no point anyone voting...
Good point. I’d forgotten about the Leach factor. But it ain’t happening again in my viewWithington was Lib Dem for 10 years between 2005 - 2015 and will be a target seat for them at the next election.
It certainly won’t if John Leech isn’t the candidate.Good point. I’d forgotten about the Leach factor. But it ain’t happening again in my view
Not after the LIb Dems in coalition supported the Tories on tuition fees. Not good in a constituency with loads of student voters.Good point. I’d forgotten about the Leach factor. But it ain’t happening again in my view
The answer for me is to not vote. Not voting should be an option in any democracy. Voting sometimes is just rubber-stamping a continuation of the same old. The major political parties don't care who you vote for as long as it's them and they take advantage of the identity politics where most blindly vote Labour or Tory anyway.The problem is that I like many others who want a progressive, socialist leaning govt have no one to vote for. We have been lied to by Starmer and his ilk. So what do we do?
I live in the Withington constituency which will be a Labour seat and in fact I probably will follow your advice to vote for who I believe in and end up not voting. A vote for Labour makes no difference. But that’s not the way it should be
Yeah, I’m coming more and more to your view especially with Labour as it is. But if there was a real alternative to the Tories such as a Corbyn led Labour Party then I’d vote for them.The answer for me is to not vote. Not voting should be an option in any democracy. Voting sometimes is just rubber-stamping a continuation of the same old. The major political parties don't care who you vote for as long as it's them and they take advantage of the identity politics where most blindly vote Labour or Tory anyway.
Look at the way things are now. We see the energy put into discussions on this forum but the fact is we're going to get a Labour government next time. Nobody however talks about the Labour policies because nobody cares, they just want the Tories out and that's where all of the energy goes.
So the Tories will be booted out but then we'll get stuck with a government which is stuck in the mud because it has a weak policy base and no real policy mandate from the country. Labour can't even cobble together a policy mandate amongst its own members. That'll all fall apart in 6 years and then of course we'll get the Tories again and the carousel continues.
For me Westminster politics is irrelevant to us. It is local government that can make a difference and the irony is far less people participate in local politics. Just for example, Andy Burnham will do far more for Manchester than any central government whether that is Labour or the Tories. That's because he's in Manchester and living for Manchester whereas Labour and the Tories are living for themselves.
If someone like Burnham was given the power and resources to sort out the local impact of countrywide issues such as what's happening on was the railways then it would get sorted. I'd be massively in favour of that, let Westminster fight amongst itself over headlines and polls whilst powers and resources are devolved to local governments to get stuff done.
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