Keir Starmer

TinFoilHat said:
Tories getting back in if Sir Keir is swapping leadership tips
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Funny old world....
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Ducado said:
One does get the feeling that some on the far left, want to cut off their noses to spite their faces, they don't seem to understand that no one can deliver you everything you want, it's a matter of appealing to the vast majority of people who actually sit in the centre

I am not that keen on him (but he's a massive improvement of the Student Rabble Rouser we had last time) but he's the best alternative to this monstrous Tory government
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I have a couple of mates who are “far left” and were extremely pro Corbyn who was frankly unelectable (and those 2 staunch far left wingers, one of them takes private healthcare from work, one sends his son to private school - socialists my arse). Getting rid of these rabid tories will (would) be a huge step
 
Ducado said:
One does get the feeling that some on the far left, want to cut off their noses to spite their faces, they don't seem to understand that no one can deliver you everything you want, it's a matter of appealing to the vast majority of people who actually sit in the centre

I am not that keen on him (but he's a massive improvement of the Student Rabble Rouser we had last time) but he's the best alternative to this monstrous Tory government
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don't know if this is so, but this reads like it was written as someone who hasn't been a recent memebr of the last few year or is only taking what has been happening from media not personal experience of the ongoings party the last few years.

I was a memebr for years voted Milliband as leader, voted Corbyn as leader and voted Starmer as leader, because the "far left" as you call them (something most socialist members are not at all ) have always backed the party in spite of the leader or direction.

we did it under Kinnock, Smith who tbf wasn't on a purge like the previous leader, bliar, brown etc etc etc and even though we disagreed with some of the direction a very compatible truce was always there between the different faction in the party.

Starmer has ripped all that up, been on a zealous purge of any disent be it left, liberal ideologically and despite his platitudes Jews, muslims, hindu, sikh, LBGBT+, Disabled, and anyone else who disagrees or voices concern with him and his NEC are thrown out for sometimes really pathetic reasons.

It isn't just the left that feel alienated by labour at the minute it is many of it's traditional broard church.

And tbh I on't believe it is down to Starmer being a chameleon who changes his ideals to uit a vote winner.

As I said we backed blair and blair compromised with many factions, but one man who advised him wanted to purge all who didn't share his vision and the blair/brown balance stopped this **** doing so, but he has wormed his viscious, malignent way into starmer inner circle and encouraged a purge of all things not centre right neo liberal.

and that **** is peter mandelson.


Back to my first sentence I left in 2021 because starmer lied in the leadership election and backtracked on every pledge, he also went more in line with camerons austerity britain and I saw no future that has any hope, even though it will be less of a cesspit as it is now it will be 2010 all over again, plus I saw CLP memeber get theeats of expulsion for supporting things as daft as being at a rally which had PKK flags.


Also corbyn was a twat just to stop any of the boring if you are against starmer you are for corbyn bollocks
 
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BringBackSwales said:
I have a couple of mates who are “far left” and were extremely pro Corbyn who was frankly unelectable (and those 2 staunch far left wingers, one of them takes private healthcare from work, one sends his son to private school - socialists my arse). Getting rid of these rabid tories will (would) be a huge step
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They would not be far left and extremely pro Corbyn, that is ridiculous.

Corbyn could only be described as far left if you think Democratic Socialism is a far left creed, which it is not. Democratic Socialism can only be deemed far left if the Overton window has moved that far to the right that Sunak represents the centre ground in UK politics. Which probably rings true with rise of the far right in this country and the effect that populism and nationalist expression has had on the political discourse.

What we have seen in this country is a media driven attempt at American style Macarthyism and the reds under the bed anti Communist nonsense of the Cold War.
 
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