Keir Starmer

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

‘As dishonest as Johnson’? I’m pretty sure you posted that just to fit in with you prose. If not then you’re mistaken. I’m not excited about Starmer but I’m pretty sure he’s the right type for the country right now.

 

[bluenova]

Both promised things they had no intention of delivering didn't they?

It's not exactly Boris Johnson level bullshit though really is it?

Starmer became leader just weeks before Covid. That was one of the biggest economic events in the last 100 years. Since then we've had the Truss crash, the war in Ukraine, and all three contributing to the cost of living crisis.

For many of the economic promises, the world is a different place to when he was trying to become leader.

I'll give you that there were plenty of words to placate Labour members, and he's not followed through with that. The only defence I'd give is that for years we've laughed at the Tory members because they want a leader that reflects what they want - and most of think that means someone who is batshit crazy. While we might say that our own views are correct (and I am certain my own left wing utopia would be much better than anything Labour have said they'll do), it's useful to look in the mirror sometimes, and ask if we really are the best people to pick a leader who will win elections.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It's not exactly Boris Johnson level bullshit though really is it?

Starmer became leader just weeks before Covid. That was one of the biggest economic events in the last 100 years. Since then we've had the Truss crash, the war in Ukraine, and all three contributing to the cost of living crisis.

For many of the economic promises, the world is a different place to when he was trying to become leader.

I'll give you that there were plenty of worse to placate Labour members, and he's not followed through with that. The only defence I'd give is that for years we've laughed at the Tory members because they want a leader that reflects what they want - and most of think that means someone who is batshit crazy. While we might say that our own views are correct (and I am certain my own left wing utopia would be much better than anything Labour have said they'll do), it's useful to look in the mirror sometimes, and ask if we really are the best people to pick a leader who will win elections.

Some of his '10 pledges' don't cost money. He lied and will say pretty much anything to gain power.

 

[Pedestrian]

Both promised things they had no intention of delivering didn't they?

Are you 12.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It's not exactly Boris Johnson level bullshit though really is it?

Benefit of hindsight. How many people has Boris proclaimed his friend only to say they never were his friend only a few months later?

Starmer became leader just weeks before Covid. That was one of the biggest economic events in the last 100 years. Since then we've had the Truss crash, the war in Ukraine, and all three contributing to the cost of living crisis.

The Tories have been pretty blatant in blaming all those events (apart from Truss) for being shite haven't they?

For many of the economic promises, the world is a different place to when he was trying to become leader.

I'll give you that there were plenty of worse to placate Labour members, and he's not followed through with that. The only defence I'd give is that for years we've laughed at the Tory members because they want a leader that reflects what they want - and most of think that means someone who is batshit crazy. While we might say that our own views are correct (and I am certain my own left wing utopia would be much better than anything Labour have said they'll do), it's useful to look in the mirror sometimes, and ask if we really are the best people to pick a leader who will win elections.

Is that all that matters? Wouldn't it be better to have someone who didn't win as convincingly but was able to offer meaningful change with a smaller majority or coalition partners?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Are you 12.

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[Pedestrian]

I’m not defending the stance but for some reason politicians seem to be able to promise things that they know will not happen. I think they should be held accountable to the standard a doctor would but that’s not happening soon. To actually think Starmer is at all like Johnson is ridiculous.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I’m not defending the stance but for some reason politicians seem to be able to promise things that they know will not happen. I think they should be held accountable to the standard a doctor would but that’s not happening soon. To actually think Starmer is at all like Johnson is ridiculous.

Are you Paul Mason in disguise? :)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I’m not defending the stance but for some reason politicians seem to be able to promise things that they know will not happen. I think they should be held accountable to the standard a doctor would but that’s not happening soon. To actually think Starmer is at all like Johnson is ridiculous.

Lies are lies.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Starmer is as bland as Major, as dishonest as Johnson and going to get as many seats as Blair. Is that a good combination?

Think he’s even more dull than Major, and I think he could get more seats than Blair, but there is no way he is as dishonest as Johnson. Not saying he isn’t somewhat dishonest, but it’s not even close.