Keir Starmer

The UK is not a PLC, that is Tory propaganda. The economy does not run like a household either.
Whatever mate enjoy paying the tax bill for whatever years you have to pay, another lockdown will cripple us, the youth are surviving but will end up paying the bill in the future. Just to clarify I am not a Tory and have never voted for them, make of that what you will. Goodnight.
 
Whatever mate enjoy paying the tax bill for whatever years you have to pay, another lockdown will cripple us, the youth are surviving but will end up paying the bill in the future. Just to clarify I am not a Tory and have never voted for them, make of that what you will. Goodnight.

I’m not sure I agree with the notion a lockdown for three weeks will cripple us more than the alternative tbh. If we have more regions going into tier three, it doesn’t matter if certain sectors stay open, they won’t be consumed anyway, even more so if more people get sick and have to self isolate.
 
I'd rather schools, colleges and universities move to online teaching first rather than shutting down the hospitality sector and gyms etc because a lot of businesses will never come back.

Can't support Starmer on this nor will a lot of GM's MPs and I know he's backed up by the SAGE advice but they were the ones who had us in the shit first time round.
With a brand new virus scientist have to go on modelling , as soon as they get actual data that is when they can start to give us actual advice based on how actual patients are reacting a d how it spreads etc, we are a !ong way in albeit still learning about covid everyday , the time to take their advice is exactly now
 
Mate, who the fuck is going to pay for it ? We are on our arse economically, I retire in 2 years so by your MO I don't care but the 20 to 40 year olds are going to be hammered in tax for the next 30 years. Yes Lockdown now but fuck it I am alright jack the next 2 generations will pay.
This is a once in a lifetime event, whatever the fallout we just have to suck it up
 
I like it when he is all masterful ,just about gets me past his voice ,he will be the right side. of things come the endless investigations , i think the gov are too close to see what an outsider can see, fresh eyes are needed , boris is too busy with the po!itics and sticking up for cummings , that would hae taken him down in more normal times
 
I'm fortunate that I won't. He's asking for two weeks so we can get a grip. I think we can afford that.
He's asking for 2 to 3 weeks. Half arsed posturing at best. If he really wanted to call it on he'd have gone, bang, 3 weeks. But no he's just grandstanding like the rest of the cunts.
 
He's asking for 2 to 3 weeks. Half arsed posturing at best. If he really wanted to call it on he'd have gone, bang, 3 weeks. But no he's just grandstanding like the rest of the cunts.

Posturing is what you have when you’re in opposition. What else do you expect? It’s an alternative to the government strategy that isn’t working, and it’s supported by the scientists. It’s worth a try.
 
It was only supposed/only needed to be 2-3 weeks’ in March (figures show it was on the decline as lockdown commenced).

it would only be the answer if it made a difference which it won’t as there is no such thing as a full lockdown anyway. If you look at how many people have actually gone back to offices etc... it’s less than a third. A lot are still WFH.

how much less contacts will take place in “lockdown”?
 
Posturing is what you have when you’re in opposition. What else do you expect? It’s an alternative to the government strategy that isn’t working, and it’s supported by the scientists. It’s worth a try.
Do you not think that he he had a real plan he'd have been more specific than 2 to 3 weeks?
 
Do you not think that he he had a real plan he'd have been more specific than 2 to 3 weeks?

If the scientists are saying that’s what’s needed for this circuit breaker then that’s what he can promote. I don’t doubt that there’s a degree of seizing a political opportunity here, and he might not have a long term plan but is using this to put himself on the side of the experts as opposed to the govt, which he hadn’t really done before.

And in fairness to him and Ashworth, whilst they haven’t been exactly vociferous in their opposition, they have consistently banged the drum for fixing track and trace which would be our best way of getting through this until a vaccine is ready.
 
If the scientists are saying that’s what’s needed for this circuit breaker then that’s what he can promote. I don’t doubt that there’s a degree of seizing a political opportunity here, and he might not have a long term plan but is using this to put himself on the side of the experts as opposed to the govt, which he hadn’t really done before.

And in fairness to him and Ashworth, whilst they haven’t been exactly vociferous in their opposition, they have consistently banged the drum for fixing track and trace which would be our best way of getting through this until a vaccine is ready.
The truth is that the opposition haven’t had any real chance to oppose the government as they have not been privy to the full information and left to fight it on very retrospective level.

Now, they have very recent info to go off with the release of the scientific submissions to the wider population and it shows that the government, not Conservative Party, are winging it to suit their own needs.

I wonder who gets the next big contract on the proviso of a lucrative payoff further down the line?
 
Supports governments advice = Tory light c*nt

proposes a circuit break lockdown = he’s a shower of shit !!!

So basically, all he has left to appease the masses is ... ‘ let’s open up and no lockdown ‘ Sure that would go down well with everyone.
 
Supports governments advice = Tory light c*nt

proposes a circuit break lockdown = he’s a shower of shit !!!

So basically, all he has left to appease the masses is ... ‘ let’s open up and no lockdown ‘ Sure that would go down well with everyone.

Its all bollox anyway - I think given the SAGE advice a circuit break could work though whether nationwide including say the West Country where rates are very low it doesn't matter because as of now I don't think everyone would observe it and there is no way to enforce it given the depleted Police we have so its all a bit bleh
 
Whatever mate enjoy paying the tax bill for whatever years you have to pay, another lockdown will cripple us, the youth are surviving but will end up paying the bill in the future. Just to clarify I am not a Tory and have never voted for them, make of that what you will. Goodnight.
Our taxes have paid for WW1, our grandparents paid for the Boer War and other Imperialistic adventures and our grandchildren will be paying for the Iraq war. The only way out of this cycle is growth not austerity and the narrative that we will be paying for years has been programmed into us by the capitalist class.
 
It really is incredible that so many people have swallowed the Tory propaganda that justified austerity.

Although I believe relating the economy to a corner shop started with Thatcher.
Thatcher used that analogy to justify monetarism, introduced by the nutjob Patrick Minford, supported by Keith Joseph who were avid followers of Hayek and the Frankfurt and Chicago schools of neo-liberal economics.

BTW Minford is Rees-Moggs favourite economist. I have seen Minford speak and the man is fucking nuts, influenced by the American Mises Institute. I left the auditorium thinking the man is insane. I went with an open mind and came out more convinced that Socialism was the answer and Marx was even more credible.
 
Dan Carden has resigned from the Labour front bench position of shadow financial secretary

Huge respect Dan, it might make that fucking clown Keith wake up and see that you have to oppose the legislation that is the Covert Human Intelligence Sources bill. The legislation sets dangerous precedents and must be opposed.
 
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Dan Carden has resigned from the Labour front bench position of shadow financial secretary

Huge respect Dan, it might make that fucking clown Keith wake up and see that you have to oppose the legislation that is the Covert Human Intelligence Sources bill. The legislation sets dangerous precedents and must be opposed.
Silence is deafening on Sky/BBC about it.

Funny that. I wonder if Keith is talking to Uncle Rupert?
 
It would run across half term, negating the schools bit slightly. From my perspective, its refreshing to see something a bit more decisive, and following what the experts are saying.
Decisions are made with various inputs - considered together

Decisions like those required to respond to the pandemic are of enormous importance and the scientific input is just one - slavishly following what Sage say is an abdication of the responsibility for decision making.

This government has fucked up in a number of areas - and frequently - but for me Starmer comes across on this as just being opportunistic - looking to use the Sage advice and score political points - purely for political gain. Re the keeping the schools open - he just seems to always seek some 'middle ground' where he can please most people and offend nobody.

We saw something of this with is absurdly incoherent Brexit policy. Shame - I thought that there was more to him - and the country needs the hope of a future quality leader.
 
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It would run across half term, negating the schools bit slightly. From my perspective, its refreshing to see something a bit more decisive, and following what the experts are saying.
Pardon my ignorance but would all non life threatening operations be cancelled?
 

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