Keir Starmer

the problem is whoever is a leader no matter how good or bad they are, you will have half of people jumping on social media/forums saying the usual cliches ‘lack of talent’ ‘lack of substance’ ‘lack of leadership’

similar to a England manager. No chance winning over all the fans.
Boris Johnson has proved that incorrect. He has managed to unite the nation in realising he has no leadership qualities, talent or ideas at all. Quite impressive.

He makes Starmer look almost Churchillian.
 
@KarlTurnerMP
· Oct 9
Replying to @darrengrimes_ @ReasonedUK and @SpeechUnion
Freedom of speech Darren doesn’t afford people the freedom to make racist remarks or generally offend. I shall say nothing further given that you say @metpoliceuk are investigating a complaint.

Shadow Minister for Legal Aid failing to realise that freedom of speech does give people the right to generally offend. I doubt very few would want a society where there were no restrictions on speech but the Labour Party need to rediscover the importance of freedom of expression and not morph into some East German political party.
 
@KarlTurnerMP
· Oct 9
Replying to @darrengrimes_ @ReasonedUK and @SpeechUnion
Freedom of speech Darren doesn’t afford people the freedom to make racist remarks or generally offend. I shall say nothing further given that you say @metpoliceuk are investigating a complaint.

Shadow Minister for Legal Aid failing to realise that freedom of speech does give people the right to generally offend. I doubt very few would want a society where there were no restrictions on speech but the Labour Party need to rediscover the importance of freedom of expression and not morph into some East German political party.
Grimes is, obviously, an absolute prick but it seems odd that the interviewer rather than the interviewee is the one being investigated in this case. Think your ire should be aimed at the Met rather than the Labour Party though, but suspect that might not fit your own particular agenda.
 
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Grimes is, obviously, an absolute prick but it seems odd that the interviewer rather than the interviewee is the one being investigated in this case. Think your ire should be aimed at the Met rather than the Labour Party though, but suspect that might not fit your own particular agenda.
I know nothing of these people or what has been said, but I'll hazard a guess that the Met are not investigating anything and have probably had a friendly / advisory word in order to spare themselves from wasting any further police time / resources.
 
I know nothing of these people or what has been said, but I'll hazard a guess that the Met are not investigating anything and have probably had a friendly / advisory word in order to spare themselves from wasting any further police time / resources.
If that was really the intention, then it’s backfired somewhat given the media scrutiny it’s attracted.
 
Grimes is, obviously, an absolute prick but it seems odd that the interviewer rather than the interviewee is the one being investigated in this case. Think your ire should be aimed at the Met rather than the Labour Party though, but suspect that might not fit your own particular agenda.

My ire is directed at both the Met and the Labour Party, and my agenda is to have a Labour Party that I can vote for again rather than it being stacked with extremist views.
 
My ire is directed at both the Met and the Labour Party, and my agenda is to have a Labour Party that I can vote for again rather than it being stacked with extremist views.
I think you should probably look closer to home on that last point tbh.
 
I think you should probably look closer to home on that last point tbh.

For being against the police arresting journalists? Or for opposing racially segregated spaces in the workplace?

Not sure it's me with the extreme opinions and once upon a time those views were at the heart of left-wing politics and the Labour Party.
 
I see he decided to completely give up on opposition. “Show me the evidence for 10pm curfew, lockdown and everything or there will be trouble”, he said. “No“ said Johnson.
“Fair enough, we will continue to support the government in everything they do”, said the leader of the opposition, rather disappointingly.
 
For being against the police arresting journalists? Or for opposing racially segregated spaces in the workplace?

Not sure it's me with the extreme opinions and once upon a time those views were at the heart of left-wing politics and the Labour Party.
And they still are. This is why Fox and his Tory backers use stuff like what Sainsburys did to make people think its something to do with the Labour Party.
Of course the Labour Left are anti racist, pro-free speech. The Labour left are nowadays routinely associated with the liberal left, this is because of Brexit. The liberal left were pro EU and the left like me were pro-leave. We all get lumped in together by the likes of Fox, using these idiotic culture wars to paint the left as something it is not.

Left Labour has always always opposed segregation, I oppose segregation, safe spaces are not segregation. Journalists as in real journalists should not be harassed by the police or arrested unless they commit a crime of course. People posing as journalists like tiny tommy ten names should of course be fucked off and arrested for the clown he is.

Free speech and hate speech are two totally different things. Now you may not agree with hate speech laws, but they are laws and can only be changed by voting for a party who thinks hate speech is fine. Free speech is being able to express oneself freely but that has never been absolute, because you cant have absolute freedom of speech in a functioning society. Free speech also comes with responsibilities and people using their freedoms have to accept the responsibilities that comes with it.

As for the East German reference, that is outright Macarthyism, the sort of anti-leftist bollox that the clowns in the USA have used for years because they feared the USSR and Socialism. Its pro capitalist propaganda, exactly what Fox and his wealthy Tory donors want, they are capitalists and by deem of being capitalists they are the exploiters of the working class. The more they divide the working class with spurious nonsense the easier the working class are to exploit. They use this con trick time after time after time and the working class fall for it. I am convinced that this is because the heirarchial structure of the UK, where defence is shown to the ruling class, this is epitomised by the fact we still have an unelected head of state and royal family and a house of Lords that still has unelected representatives in place.

Which extremist views that Labour have are you against?
 
Grimes is, obviously, an absolute prick but it seems odd that the interviewer rather than the interviewee is the one being investigated in this case. Think your ire should be aimed at the Met rather than the Labour Party though, but suspect that might not fit your own particular agenda.
I actually feel a bit sorry for him, one day he might realise he was being used as a puppet. That is all he is, a little pathetic Geordie boy trying to be part of the Tory establishment. They will eat him alive when he has outlived his usefulness and they wont give a fuck about him. Poor kid.
 
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Grimes is, obviously, an absolute prick but it seems odd that the interviewer rather than the interviewee is the one being investigated in this case. Think your ire should be aimed at the Met rather than the Labour Party though, but suspect that might not fit your own particular agenda.

He’s being investigated as the publisher rather than the interviewer, that’s why.

Still doesn’t make it right though, as much as I despise the mans politics.
 
Proper two footed challenge as well.

He's trying to show he's a strong leader.

But wants to keep schools open whilst locking down the rest of the country,kids and students are not catching this disease ........another fucking knobhead who will last all of 5 mins at this rate.
 

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