Keir Starmer

I don’t claim to be right on everything.

I’m just telling you that the vast majority of Labour voters voted Remain.

It’s not a matter of opinion.
The vote that mattered was the referendum, the biggest vote in history, remain lost.
The majority of Labour constituencies voted to leave, millions of remainers in London
made no difference. Because of attitudes like yours that presents failure of a chosen political
stance as the winners being racist and stupid, which you were not alone in so doing prior
to the GE, it ensured that your position would be destroyed.
Because, well, it's a stupid tack to take.
 
The vote that mattered was the referendum, the biggest vote in history, remain lost.
The majority of Labour constituencies voted to leave, millions of remainers in London
made no difference. Because of attitudes like yours that presents failure of a chosen political
stance as the winners being racist and stupid, which you were not alone in so doing prior
to the GE, it ensured that your position would be destroyed.
Because, well, it's a stupid tack to take.
I didn't say racist and stupid, I said racist or stupid.

To clarify, when I say "racist" - I'm putting all the people in that box who voted on "patriotic" lines. Some of them may not be racist I suppose, maybe "nationalist" would be a more accurate word.

And when I say "stupid" - I'm talking about people who say things like "taking back control" - a slogan that was dreamed up Dominic Cummings precisely to appeal to people who didn't really understand the EU and how it worked. Ask the majority of these people which specific EU laws and processes they didn't like and they can't answer. They just repeat the soundbite.

I also put people in this box who felt "left behind" and thought leaving the EU was going to solve all of their problems. It won't, of course. But Cummings knew there was a huge swathe of disenfranchised people, so in a classic populist move, he found out what people's fears and anger were and attached that to the "Vote Leave" cause.

Also the people who voted on the "£350m a week to the NHS", of which there were many. Again, the £350m a week holds up to absolutely no scrutiny whatsoever, and the NHS had absolutely nothing to do with the EU. It was another manipulative, disgraceful, populist lie.

Immigration from the middle east and particularly Turkey, again, that was absolutely fuck all to do with the EU. But Cummings found in his research that these are what people's main fears were, so he exploited it.

There isn't a legitimate economic argument for leaving the EU. The IFS said it was like losing a Sunday Dinner and finding a packet of crisps.

It's a clichéd soundbite the leavers trot out again and again "It's that kind of attitude why you lost" it's absolute laughable nonsense. I know exactly why people voted Leave. They had fears, concerns, prejudices, many of them understandable, and the vote Leave organisations exploited those fears and concerns and tried to wrap them all up in to a neat little box and put a big "EU" sticker on it.

But the majority of those fears, concerns and prejudices have absolutely nothing to do with the EU. And the irony is, by leaving and voluntarily making the country poorer, we will have less ability as a country to deal with those fears and concerns and help the "left behind".

But I don't expect you to agree, no one likes to think they've been manipulated.
 
Why was that?
Because people saw the economic plan and were absolutely alarmed.

Nationalising broadband, stealing US pharma's IP and manufacturing our own copycat drugs, the 4 day working week, giving private tenants the Right to Buy.

These are the kinds of policies that people thought would do even more economic damage than leaving the EU.
 
I didn't say racist and stupid, I said racist or stupid.

To clarify, when I say "racist" - I'm putting all the people in that box who voted on "patriotic" lines. Some of them may not be racist I suppose, maybe "nationalist" would be a more accurate word.

And when I say "stupid" - I'm talking about people who say things like "taking back control" - a slogan that was dreamed up Dominic Cummings precisely to appeal to people who didn't really understand the EU and how it worked. Ask the majority of these people which specific EU laws and processes they didn't like and they can't answer. They just repeat the soundbite.

I also put people in this box who felt "left behind" and thought leaving the EU was going to solve all of their problems. It won't, of course. But Cummings knew there was a huge swathe of disenfranchised people, so in a classic populist move, he found out what people's fears and anger were and attached that to the "Vote Leave" cause.

Also the people who voted on the "£350m a week to the NHS", of which there were many. Again, the £350m a week holds up to absolutely no scrutiny whatsoever, and the NHS had absolutely nothing to do with the EU. It was another manipulative, disgraceful, populist lie.

Immigration from the middle east and particularly Turkey, again, that was absolutely fuck all to do with the EU. But Cummings found in his research that these are what people's main fears were, so he exploited it.

There isn't a legitimate economic argument for leaving the EU. The IFS said it was like losing a Sunday Dinner and finding a packet of crisps.

It's a clichéd soundbite the leavers trot out again and again "It's that kind of attitude why you lost" it's absolute laughable nonsense. I know exactly why people voted Leave. They had fears, concerns, prejudices, many of them understandable, and the vote Leave organisations exploited those fears and concerns and tried to wrap them all up in to a neat little box and put a big "EU" sticker on it.

But the majority of those fears, concerns and prejudices have absolutely nothing to do with the EU. And the irony is, by leaving and voluntarily making the country poorer, we will have less ability as a country to deal with those fears and concerns and help the "left behind".

But I don't expect you to agree, no one likes to think they've been manipulated.
You're right about one thing in that diatribe, I don't agree, because it's all based around prejudices.
Yet again the proposition, on the £350 mill, for that is what it was, irks remainers, yet they continue
to blithely ignore the enormous financial and governmental support for remaining dwarfed anything
the leave campaign put out. Hey-ho, it's all academic now anyway, but I would respectfully suggest
that many of your assumptions above are also the reasons you lost the GE.
And it was lost without any manipulation, you simply didn't understand the electorate.
 
Because people saw the economic plan and were absolutely alarmed.

Nationalising broadband, stealing US pharma's IP and manufacturing our own copycat drugs, the 4 day working week, giving private tenants the Right to Buy.

These are the kinds of policies that people thought would do even more economic damage than leaving the EU.
Now this I do agree with.
 
You're right about one thing in that diatribe, I don't agree, because it's all based around prejudices.
Yet again the proposition, on the £350 mill, for that is what it was, irks remainers, yet they continue
to blithely ignore the enormous financial and governmental support for remaining dwarfed anything
the leave campaign put out. Hey-ho, it's all academic now anyway, but I would respectfully suggest
that many of your assumptions above are also the reasons you lost the GE.
And it was lost without any manipulation, you simply didn't understand the electorate.
When you say I lost the election and I didn't understand the electorate, I think you're assuming I voted for Corbyn? I didn't.

It was blatantly obvious that the Tories were going to win the election. People like Boris' personality, they wanted an end to uncertainty and they saw Corbyn as a bigger threat to the economy than Leave.

But don't make the mistake of assuming the GE was some kind of 2nd referendum on Brexit. There were lots more nuances at play, Corbyn being the major one. I'm a Remainer and have never voted Tory in my life, but I couldn't vote for Corbyn.

You see, if you bought the £350m line, then I'm afraid you fall neatly in to the box of people that fell for Dominic Cummings manipulation.

The UK has never written a cheque for £350m and sent it to the EU. Or had it set up as a rolling monthly payment or anything even similar to that.

The net economic benefit of EU membership was £62bn-£78bn per year. So even after the £350m a week is accounted for, we benefited to the tune of tens of billions of pounds on top of that.

People who roll out the £350m a week line simply don't understand the economics. They've been manipulated. I don't blame them, it's not their fault. It's Ferage and Cummings etc who I blame for lying and misleading people.

Hopefully they will eventually go to jail and apologise to you guys.
 
Because people saw the economic plan and were absolutely alarmed.

Nationalising broadband, stealing US pharma's IP and manufacturing our own copycat drugs, the 4 day working week, giving private tenants the Right to Buy.

These are the kinds of policies that people thought would do even more economic damage than leaving the EU.

Fair enough.

So why did he come so close in 2017?
 

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