Keir Starmer

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What about those responsible for frustrating the disciplinary process to discredit the leadership how much of a fuck do they give?

Antisemitism report: By suspending Corbyn, Starmer is tearing Labour apart

The EHRC report: The evidence points at culprits other than Corbyn

www.middleeasteye.net

Its probably AS to even mention it.

 

[BobKowalski]

I have alluded to this before, if you constantly attack the anti racists as being racist, who in the end will be left to defend against the racists.

And what if the anti-racists are themselves being racist? Do we refrain from pointing this out because of who they are and ignore what they say or do?

There was a little twitter spat today featuring Dr Louise Raw who tweeted about Angela Rayner, who was defending the Corbyn suspension, and used the phrase ‘thirty pieces of silver’ to describe Rayner. It’s a small, but telling phrase. Linking Jews to betrayal when the issue being discussed is anti-semitism? Conscious or unconscious? The tweet has now been deleted.

My point is being a lifelong opponent of racism doesn’t give you a pass when it comes to one of the oldest forms of discrimination and racism on the planet. We all have blindspots.

 

[Postman Pep]

Its probably AS to even mention it.

It's a minefield

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

And what if the anti-racists are themselves being racist? Do we refrain from pointing this out because of who they are and ignore what they say or do?

There was a little twitter spat today featuring Dr Louise Raw who tweeted about Angela Rayner, who was defending the Corbyn suspension, and used the phrase ‘thirty pieces of silver’ to describe Rayner. It’s a small, but telling phrase. Linking Jews to betrayal when the issue being discussed is anti-semitism? Conscious or unconscious? The tweet has now been deleted.

My point is being a lifelong opponent of racism doesn’t give you a pass when it comes to one of the oldest forms of discrimination and racism on the planet. We all have blindspots.

Classic example. As you say the link between 30pc's of silver and AS trope of Jewish betrayal / fondness for money. It is also a commonly used term for betrayal in general. I'd like to think Rayner was using it in the later sense, although if so she was either being stupid or even trolling the CAA etc as it is clear that this could be interpreted in the first sense.

 

[The perfect fumble]

And what if the anti-racists are themselves being racist? Do we refrain from pointing this out because of who they are and ignore what they say or do?

There was a little twitter spat today featuring Dr Louise Raw who tweeted about Angela Rayner, who was defending the Corbyn suspension, and used the phrase ‘thirty pieces of silver’ to describe Rayner. It’s a small, but telling phrase. Linking Jews to betrayal when the issue being discussed is anti-semitism? Conscious or unconscious? The tweet has now been deleted.

My point is being a lifelong opponent of racism doesn’t give you a pass when it comes to one of the oldest forms of discrimination and racism on the planet. We all have blindspots.

Yeah, if you want to find racism because it suits your purpose, you'll find it, whether it's there or not, and if folk tell you it ain't there, you can always accuse them of being fools, complicit or hiding some themselves.

Works every time.

 

[blueinsa]

Yeah, if you want to find racism because it suits your purpose, you'll find it, whether it's there or not, and if folk tell you it ain't there, you can always accuse them of being fools, complicit or hiding some themselves.

Works every time.

Sounds familiar.

Not so much from you btw.

 

[urban genie]

After much thought I have emailed Labour northwest to inform them I will be stopping my membership and cancellingthe DD.


Starmers attempt at being an oppostion and strong leader this morning on marr was quite frankly pathetic and his stance on Education closures weak and without any knowledgw of what is happening in colleges and universities atm with covid rates.

Basically waffled on to sound credible, but ultimately will back the government without opposotion.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Sounds familiar.

Not so much from you btw.

If you follow this insanity to its conclusion, then all those Labour Party members who've contributed to Corbyn's legal fund, which is approaching £400k now, will have to be expelled. All those who've sent letters and in some cases flowers in support have to be expelled too.

I'm not exaggerating, this is taken from Starmer's statement regarding the EHRC's report....

"And if – after all the pain, all the grief, and all the evidence in this report, there are still those who think there’s no problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party. That it’s all exaggerated, or a factional attack.

Then, frankly, you are part of the problem too. And you should be nowhere near the Labour Party either."

If he's serious, then we're not talking about a handful of Labour party members who need to be expelled, we're talking about the majority. Of course that won't happen, because, as I've said many times, Israel and the plight of the Palestinians rarely features in anyone's top ten list of grievances, Jewish conspiracy theories don't crop up much in conversation with party members in Yorkshire either, but social justice does, jobs does and the demonisation of the left by the right does.

Starmer has over stepped the mark here, maybe he misjudged the mood, maybe he thought talking tough would be enough. Because he didn't have to do this, he went beyond the report's recommendations with that last line.

I don't know enough about Starmer to judge, maybe he's just naive, maybe he's playing the long game, destroying the party to save it, New Labour Mark 2, that sort of thing. Maybe he doesn't like the party, and he's happy if the great unwashed and the unions fuck off and he can fill the coffers with corporate donations.

Who knows.

One thing's for certain, this isn't about anti-Semitism any more, if it ever was.

Either way, I've recently left the party and it had little to do with Starmer, so I stare at this fiasco with a profound sadness rather than anger.

 

[The perfect fumble]

After much thought I have emailed Labour northwest to inform them I will be stopping my membership and cancellingthe DD.


Starmers attempt at being an oppostion and strong leader this morning on marr was quite frankly pathetic and his stance on Education closures weak and without any knowledgw of what is happening in colleges and universities atm with covid rates.

Basically waffled on to sound credible, but ultimately will back the government without opposotion.

Even though I've recently left I'm saddened though not surprised by your post.

Starmer is a staggeringly poor Labour leader, truth be told he's the leader the Tories are crying out for.

 

[urban genie]

Even though I've recently left I'm saddened though not surprised by your post.

Starmer is a staggeringly poor Labour leader, truth be told he's the leader the Tories are crying out for.

I had decided to stick with it and not be forced to leave, but the constant abstentions, the very weak backing of the northern mayors and then his stance pissed me off this.morning, fuck it it may only be a fiver but it's afiver I can spend better elsewhere.

Even was willing to ignore his backdoor purge as I want the tories out, but nah he isn't making me feel the party is one I want to belong to.

 

[blueinsa]

If you follow this insanity to its conclusion, then all those Labour Party members who've contributed to Corbyn's legal fund, which is approaching £400k now, will have to be expelled. All those who've sent letters and in some cases flowers in support have to be expelled too.

I'm not exaggerating, this is taken from Starmer's statement regarding the EHRC's report....

"And if – after all the pain, all the grief, and all the evidence in this report, there are still those who think there’s no problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party. That it’s all exaggerated, or a factional attack.

Then, frankly, you are part of the problem too. And you should be nowhere near the Labour Party either."

If he's serious, then we're not talking about a handful of Labour party members who need to be expelled, we're talking about the majority. Of course that won't happen, because, as I've said many times, Israel and the plight of the Palestinians rarely features in anyone's top ten list of grievances, Jewish conspiracy theories don't crop up much in conversation with party members in Yorkshire either, but social justice does, jobs does and the demonisation of the left by the right does.

Starmer has over stepped the mark here, maybe he misjudged the mood, maybe he thought talking tough would be enough. Because he didn't have to do this, he went beyond the report's recommendations with that last line.

I don't know enough about Starmer to judge, maybe he's just naive, maybe he's playing the long game, destroying the party to save it, New Labour Mark 2, that sort of thing. Maybe he doesn't like the party, and he's happy if the great unwashed and the unions fuck off and he can fill the coffers with corporate donations.

Who knows.

One thing's for certain, this isn't about anti-Semitism any more, if it ever was.

Either way, I've recently left the party and it had little to do with Starmer, so I stare at this fiasco with a profound sadness rather than anger.

It's about fucking time we accepted different opinions, especially potically and stopped instantly trying to demonise them by shouting "ism".

Disagree, debate even argue the toss but the name calling, the attempts to demonise and discredit by screaming racist or fascist or communist or whatever else we all do should stop.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It's about fucking time we accepted different opinions, especially potically and stopped instantly trying to demonise them by shouting "ism".

Disagree, debate even argue the toss but the name calling, the attempts to demonise and discredit by screaming racist or fascist or communist or whatever else we all do should stop.

You would say that you Tory bastard ;-)

 

[Postman Pep]

And what if the anti-racists are themselves being racist? Do we refrain from pointing this out because of who they are and ignore what they say or do?

There was a little twitter spat today featuring Dr Louise Raw who tweeted about Angela Rayner, who was defending the Corbyn suspension, and used the phrase ‘thirty pieces of silver’ to describe Rayner. It’s a small, but telling phrase. Linking Jews to betrayal when the issue being discussed is anti-semitism? Conscious or unconscious? The tweet has now been deleted.

My point is being a lifelong opponent of racism doesn’t give you a pass when it comes to one of the oldest forms of discrimination and racism on the planet. We all have blindspots.

Maybe she should have made the simple point that Rayner herself is on the CAA hitlist or would that of led down a similar rabbit hole?

 

[Fame Monster]

If I was Evans/Starmer, I'd wonder what on earth would be the point in letting Corbyn back into the party. Apart from the fact that his suspension is hugely popular and makes Labour far more electable, it's not like he's likely to vote with the party anyway. He might as well have been a Tory the amount of times he voted against Labour when they were in government.

 

[ganganvince]

Maybe she should have made the simple point that Rayner herself is on the CAA hitlist or would that of led down a similar rabbit hole?

Rabbit hole as in Lewis Caroll anti semite (Allegedly)

Alice in Anti-Semitic Land

● Lewis Carroll: The Man and His Circle By Edward Wakeling I. B. Tauris, 480 pages, $49 Most biographies of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, the English logician and Anglican deacon who signed “Alice in Wonderland” with the pen name Lewis Carroll, misunderstood their subject entirely. In his new book...

forward.com

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If I was Evans/Starmer, I'd wonder what on earth would be the point in letting Corbyn back into the party. Apart from the fact that his suspension is hugely popular and makes Labour far more electable, it's not like he's likely to vote with the party anyway. He might as well have been a Tory the amount of times he voted against Labour when they were in government.

I admire the size of your bait, but suspect your catch will be small until your intended quarry have had a few more beers. Probably worth a bump later on?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Corbyn sides with human rights abusers!

 

[Rascal]

After much thought I have emailed Labour northwest to inform them I will be stopping my membership and cancellingthe DD.


Starmers attempt at being an oppostion and strong leader this morning on marr was quite frankly pathetic and his stance on Education closures weak and without any knowledgw of what is happening in colleges and universities atm with covid rates.

Basically waffled on to sound credible, but ultimately will back the government without opposotion.

It saddens me pal. I turned Keith off, I couldnt stomach him anymore. I get it must be hard to be LOTO in times of an unprecedented epidemic but (there I go again, but fans) he has utterly failed to hold the worst government in my lifetime to account and has even backed most of their stupidity. When you, me and Fumbs have left the party in recent times I think it speaks volumes about the direction the party is heading. It is heading into the safe waters that the capitalists demand and will offer a reserve team Tory Government if by chance it ever gets close to power again. The left has been nullified and ostracised and the capitalist gravy train can carry on unabated.

Mass membership parties are a threat to the capitalist hegemony, they cant be controlled, Starmer can because he will rely on wealthy donors. More importantly and I really do think this is a valid point, BREXIT can now happen with the knowledge that the Socialist threat has diminished and now its full steam ahead to a free market utopia. The Champagne sellers in the Cayman Islands will be happy.

 

[Rascal]

If I was Evans/Starmer, I'd wonder what on earth would be the point in letting Corbyn back into the party. Apart from the fact that his suspension is hugely popular and makes Labour far more electable, it's not like he's likely to vote with the party anyway. He might as well have been a Tory the amount of times he voted against Labour when they were in government.

Has your village listed you as missing?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Corbyn should have a huge statue erected for people to fling shit at forever.

Irrespective of his treatment if Labour party members, if not for that **** & his cult, there would be no Johnson, Gove & this useless incompetent, evil shower of cunts would just be nobodies in a divided opposition.

Corbyn would take a pistol into a darkened room if he had any decency.

He'd probably miss.