Keir Starmer

[bluenova]

Did it happen?

We had Chris Williamson riding around the country with his deselection roadshow - just happening to call in the constituencies of Corbyn's biggest critics.

Plenty of votes of no confidence called across the country, but the Corbyn left found they didn't actually command the support of as many members as they imagined, and most failed. Reading the likes of Rachael Swindon or Cornish Damo on Twitter, it's interesting that they still believe they speak for "the left", when the reality was they were always fringe even among Labour members and only really relevant when Corbyn was leader.

 

[The perfect fumble]

We had Chris Williamson riding around the country with his deselection roadshow - just happening to call in the constituencies of Corbyn's biggest critics.

Plenty of votes of no confidence called across the country, but the Corbyn left found they didn't actually command the support of as many members as they imagined, and most failed. Reading the likes of Rachael Swindon or Cornish Damo on Twitter, it's interesting that they still believe they speak for "the left", when the reality was they were always fringe even among Labour members and only really relevant when Corbyn was leader.

That would be Chris Williamson who was prevented from standing as Labour candidate at the last election, because he was suspended after questioning the scale of anti-Semitism in the party.

You mean that Chris Williamson?

Any other sitting MP come to mind?

 

[bluenova]

That would be Chris Williamson who was prevented from standing as Labour candidate at the last election, because he was suspended after questioning the scale of anti-Semitism in the party.

You mean that Chris Williamson?

Any other sitting MP come to mind?

I was thinking of the Chris Williamson that Corbyn described as a very great friend, and was one of the left members biggest heroes.

You suggested deselection threats were non-existent, when there was clearly a huge amount of talk from Corbyn supporters and Corbyn supporting CLPs.

I wouldn't expect many MPs to get behind it because they're probably a little more realistic - and as we've seen from the "support" for Corbyn this week, their aren't many MPs who were true believers. Not sure if they've all come out with statements that I've missed, but last I looked something like two thirds of the Campaign Group hadn't even commented on his suspension.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

very passionate point from the MP for Chesterfield, that's a bit more like it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I was thinking of the Chris Williamson that Corbyn described as a very great friend, and was one of the left members biggest heroes.

You suggested deselection threats were non-existent, when there was clearly a huge amount of talk from Corbyn supporters and Corbyn supporting CLPs.

I wouldn't expect many MPs to get behind it because they're probably a little more realistic - and as we've seen from the "support" for Corbyn this week, their aren't many MPs who were true believers. Not sure if they've all come out with statements that I've missed, but last I looked something like two thirds of the Campaign Group hadn't even commented on his suspension.

Swerve.

Corbyn led the Labour party when Chris Williamson was suspended.

That is a fact.

I like the idea that you think the Parliamentary party's reluctance to come to Corbyn's defence in some way supports whatever point you're making, if it supports anything at all, it supports my original post.

If a "huge amount of talk" about suspensions is all you've got, might I suggest you call it a day.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Did it happen?

Yes. I had written, then deleted a load of stuff including intimidation and physical threats to members (I have had direct experience of). I have alluded this previously. I left the party as a result. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative and hope it was/is not widespread. But unlike you lot I voted and will vote Labour regardless.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Yes. I had written, then deleted a load of stuff including intimidation and physical threats to members (I have had direct experience of). I have alluded this previously. I left the party as a result. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative and hope it was/is not widespread. But unlike you lot I voted and will vote Labour regardless.

When I posted did it happen? It was in relation to your sitting MP.

Was your sitting MP deselected?

PS: As for your reference to "you lot". How is it that you leaving the party is any different, in a material sense, to me leaving the party?

And as for.....

But unlike you lot I voted and will vote Labour regardless.

I voted Labour in 2019 as I've always done, and knowing me, given we're four years away from the next election will probably do so again.

All this "you lot" bollocks, take a look in the mirror pal, you are what you profess to despise.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

When I posted did it happen? It was in relation to your sitting MP.

Was your sitting MP deselected?

PS: As for your reference to "you lot". How is it that you leaving the party is any different, in a material sense, to me leaving the party?

And as for.....



I voted Labour in 2019 and knowing me, given we're four years away from the next election will probably do so again.

All this "you lot" bollocks, take a look in the mirror pal, you are what you profess to despise.

I see the intimidation I mention is of no concern to you. I could not remain in the party and stay safe. I was pinned against a wall and threatened. Hardly a choice to leave but had to promise my family I would. Hardly the same as leaving because your demigod has been called out is it...?

 

[The perfect fumble]

I see the intimidation I mention is of no concern to you. I could not remain in the party and stay safe. I was pinned against a wall and threatened. Hardly a choice to leave but had to promise my family I would. Hardly the same as leaving because your demigod has been called out is it...?

The only demigod I have is Colin the King, followed by the little wizard.

In short, your sitting MP was not deselected.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

The only demigod I have is Colin the King, followed by the little wizard.

In short, your sitting MP was not deselected.

At least we can agree on King Colin.

 

[The perfect fumble]

At least we can agree on King Colin.

We can and that's something ;-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yes. I had written, then deleted a load of stuff including intimidation and physical threats to members (I have had direct experience of). I have alluded this previously. I left the party as a result. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative and hope it was/is not widespread. But unlike you lot I voted and will vote Labour regardless.

I thought in most cases the MP's threatened with deselection either jumped ship or lost their seats at the GE anyway so the heat went out of the issue?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

That would be Chris Williamson who was prevented from standing as Labour candidate at the last election, because he was expelled due to being found guilty of anti-Semitism, under the discipkinary procedure that Jennie Formby introduced which (as you lot keep telling us) made vast strifdes in dealing with the matter.

You mean that Chris Williamson?

The only demigod I have is Colin the King, followed by the little wizard.

I take it that's not referring to me and @gordondaviesmoustache?

 

[mat]

 

[bluenova]

Swerve.

Corbyn led the Labour party when Chris Williamson was suspended.

That is a fact.

I like the idea that you think the Parliamentary party's reluctance to come to Corbyn's defence in some way supports whatever point you're making, if it supports anything at all, it supports my original post.

If a "huge amount of talk" about suspensions is all you've got, might I suggest you call it a day.

Swerve? Williamson's suspension is a total straw man (although I think he should have been suspended for travelling the country and undermining his colleagues, but he had Corbyn's support during that time).

Just look at his twitter feed while he was heading around the country - plenty of big meetings, plenty of members at each of them, all supporting reselection challenges in seats where the MP was critical of Corbyn. Those meeting existed, and those members existed, and they were of the left of the Labour party and they were keen on deselecting Corbyn critics, so to say deselection talk was made up is false.

I'm suggesting they failed because those members, while in the many thousands, and while vocal, actually make up a small proportion of the overall party. So, in a party of 500,000 there can be plenty of left wing members who wanted to deselect MPs without there being any MPs actually deselected.

I don't think anyone should be deselected for broad policy reasons - I'd much rather that we could embrace the likes of John and Jeremy, alongside MPs who are much more to the right of my own views.

 

[Fame Monster]

I don't think anyone should be deselected for broad policy reasons - I'd much rather that we could embrace the likes of John and Jeremy, alongside MPs who are much more to the right of my own views.

There must come a point though where MPs are deselected for their political views.

I think the biggest obstacle for Labour's chances of winning the next election is that there's about 1/3 of the MPs whose political views are so unpopular that it's like playing a game of football with 8 men. I just can't see how they can win with them on board hence why I think antisemitism will be used as a tool to get rid of some of them.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Swerve? Williamson's suspension is a total straw man (although I think he should have been suspended for travelling the country and undermining his colleagues, but he had Corbyn's support during that time).

Just look at his twitter feed while he was heading around the country - plenty of big meetings, plenty of members at each of them, all supporting reselection challenges in seats where the MP was critical of Corbyn. Those meeting existed, and those members existed, and they were of the left of the Labour party and they were keen on deselecting Corbyn critics, so to say deselection talk was made up is false.

I'm suggesting they failed because those members, while in the many thousands, and while vocal, actually make up a small proportion of the overall party. So, in a party of 500,000 there can be plenty of left wing members who wanted to deselect MPs without there being any MPs actually deselected.

I don't think anyone should be deselected for broad policy reasons - I'd much rather that we could embrace the likes of John and Jeremy, alongside MPs who are much more to the right of my own views.

You're right, it wasn't my straw man.

 

[Rascal]

I don't think anyone should be deselected for broad policy reasons - I'd much rather that we could embrace the likes of John and Jeremy, alongside MPs who are much more to the right of my own views.

Every Labour MP should face selection before an election. The local PLP should decide who they want to stand as their candidate. Too many MPs parachuted in seats for me for a start plus if an MP doesn't work hard and act on what the PLP selected him/her for, then get rid. Don't care who they are, if they represent the party then the party membership should decide. I am a believer in democracy, unlike some of the PLP who think they have jobs for life once elected.

 

[Rascal]

Hardly the same as leaving because your demigod has been called out is it...?

Where as your Baphomet went to war on a lie and caused the deaths and relocations of millions and the rise of ISIS.

A labour party of Imperialistic endeavour is not a Labour party that should ever exist. It should exist to promote Socialism, social justice and equality for the working class

 

[BlueHammer85]

I don't really get the vitriol the past day or so, 2bh. Especially from people who's only chance of ever getting anything they want from this country dependent on him being elected.

the hard left warriors are threatened by Staermer, because they know he’s given Labour an actual chance of winning

They’d rather a radical socialist leader that doesn’t have a chance of winning so they can continue shouting and moaning about the tories from the sidelines.