Keir Starmer

The purge of the left continues. The Labour party is now nothing more than a throwback to the Blairite years, pro capitalist, pro-imperialism, pro American, pro- neo liberalism, pro- EU, pro Israel, pro Tory, Pro identity politics, pro liberal values, pro metropolitan liberal elite, probably pro trident replacement, Starmer has moved the party so far right its under the bed sheets with Johnson and his crony capitalists.

A fucking disgusting day in Labour Party History, its no wonder Johnson gets away with lying and complacency as he knows he can be PM for 20 years because the mass movement is no more, Labour is shedding members quicker than the swamp emptied at the 1-6, the members that are leaving are the ones who do the hard yards campaigning, the ones who deliver the party leaflets, Starmer has basically told them all today he doesn't want them in his party, they no longer fit. Good luck to him getting the metro elites out campaigning on the door steps, maybe they can send nanny like Mogg. The red wall will not return to Labour any time soon, it will be the party of the big cities, London, Manchester and maybe Newcastle, the rest will go, maybe even Manchester will have tories once again.

The right wing have won , the country is lurching further to the right by the day and there is no true left opposition. Whats left of Labour will become like the American Democrats, two cheeks of the same pro free market arse.

The only saving grace as I see it is leaving the EU will at least offer the chance for a rebirth of traditional Labour party values, it wont be the Labour party, I think its finished , but maybe a new party of the left, that is patriotic, values family life, is pro working class, believes that immigration should be controlled, values the nations institutions and believes in true Socialist principles of equality of opportunity and " From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs " is a treasured value, where Unions have proper rights and above all democracy is valued again.

Today is my lowest point of being a Labour supporter in my 50 years of political sentience, today the party i loved died on me.

Vive le revolution., stay strong comrades.
Self indulgent twaddle.

Can’t see how this can be a lower point than losing an election to a useless buffoon surrounded by yes men that seem intent on screwing up this country for a generation after hastening the deaths of tens of thousands of citizens more than what could have been through their sheer incompetence.
 
Self indulgent twaddle.

Can’t see how this can be a lower point than losing an election to a useless buffoon surrounded by yes men that seem intent on screwing up this country for a generation after hastening the deaths of tens of thousands of citizens more than what could have been through their sheer incompetence.

it's absurd isn't it, today has given hope to so many that there's finally potential for an alternative future they can believe in.
 
Good riddance long Bailey
Time for our mps to represent the people not just a political ideology
Starmer is starting the cull and good on him
If he wants to be elected he needs nothing to do with these idiots
He needs to appeal to normal folk not the hard left numpties
 
Good riddance long Bailey
Time for our mps to represent the people not just a political ideology
Starmer is starting the cull and good on him
If he wants to be elected he needs nothing to do with these idiots
He needs to appeal to normal folk not the hard left numpties

What is it that normal people want, that us idiotic "hard" left "numpties" don't get?

There is already a Conservative party, a party of the right, a party of the free market, a party of individualism.

Explain to me what a party of the left should look like, what policies you would like to see a party of the Left have in a manifesto.

Here are 20 primers, can any on here tell me what is wrong with the following and why it should be different, what alternative would better suit the nation.

1/ The NHS should be funded properly, nurses should be paid a proper wage.
2/ The welfare state should be a treasured institution, that provides a proper safety net for those who come across hard times and it should support those unable to support themselves
3/ Everybody who can work, should work
4/ Everybody should pay there fair share of taxation
5/ Infrastructure, like the railways should be in public ownership, its a vital national asset and should be treated accordingly
6/ The armed forces should be properly funded and the services restored to former numbers, with British built ships, British built tanks etc
7/ The police force should be restored to the numbers pre 2008, law and order is the bedrock of a decent society
8/ Immigration should be controlled, asylum seekers should be welcome as per international agreements
9/ Children should receive the best education possible, it should be free and if they want to go on to further education then they should be encouraged to do so and it should be free. Education closes the inequality gap and provides the skills that an economy needs
10/ Nobody should ever be homeless in a rich modern country, Build a million new council houses, with rents at affordable rates and tenancy agreements available for life
11/ Start a new National Investment Bank, that is available for SMEs so that they can provide jobs and help the economy prosper
12/ Invest in green technology, its the future, we no longer rely on coal
13/ Close tax loopholes that allow those with wealth to move wealth out of the country
14/ Electricity and Gas provision is vital for the nation to prosper, it should be owned by the people who need it and paid for it. The public.
15/ No library should ever be shut, they are vital institutions that help educate the nation.
16/ Trial by jury should be sacrosanct
17/ Prisons should be a place that offers rehabilitation, but also punishes those who commit heinious crime. Prison officer numbers should be restored to former numbers
18/ Local Government should have power to act on local issues, the grants should be restored so that local government cam meet the needs of local people
19/ Broadband/wifi should be available to everyone and every child should be given a tablet/laptop on starting school to help educate them properly. Education will help close the productivity gap
20/ Unions should be restored to prominence, they are responsible for so many things we take for granted today and collective bargaining helps ensure wages are paid at a proper level.


OK, there is 20 things that this "hard" left "numpty" would like to see for our country, I believe those 20 things would help restore pride in our country, enhance the patriotic feelings towards our nation, because patriotism is about loving the country you live in. It would enhance the role of family and reduce inequality.

Now who will deconstruct those 20 points and explain to this "hard" left "numpty" where I am going wrong?
 
What is it that normal people want, that us idiotic "hard" left "numpties" don't get?

There is already a Conservative party, a party of the right, a party of the free market, a party of individualism.

Explain to me what a party of the left should look like, what policies you would like to see a party of the Left have in a manifesto.

Here are 20 primers, can any on here tell me what is wrong with the following and why it should be different, what alternative would better suit the nation.

1/ The NHS should be funded properly, nurses should be paid a proper wage.
2/ The welfare state should be a treasured institution, that provides a proper safety net for those who come across hard times and it should support those unable to support themselves
3/ Everybody who can work, should work
4/ Everybody should pay there fair share of taxation
5/ Infrastructure, like the railways should be in public ownership, its a vital national asset and should be treated accordingly
6/ The armed forces should be properly funded and the services restored to former numbers, with British built ships, British built tanks etc
7/ The police force should be restored to the numbers pre 2008, law and order is the bedrock of a decent society
8/ Immigration should be controlled, asylum seekers should be welcome as per international agreements
9/ Children should receive the best education possible, it should be free and if they want to go on to further education then they should be encouraged to do so and it should be free. Education closes the inequality gap and provides the skills that an economy needs
10/ Nobody should ever be homeless in a rich modern country, Build a million new council houses, with rents at affordable rates and tenancy agreements available for life
11/ Start a new National Investment Bank, that is available for SMEs so that they can provide jobs and help the economy prosper
12/ Invest in green technology, its the future, we no longer rely on coal
13/ Close tax loopholes that allow those with wealth to move wealth out of the country
14/ Electricity and Gas provision is vital for the nation to prosper, it should be owned by the people who need it and paid for it. The public.
15/ No library should ever be shut, they are vital institutions that help educate the nation.
16/ Trial by jury should be sacrosanct
17/ Prisons should be a place that offers rehabilitation, but also punishes those who commit heinious crime. Prison officer numbers should be restored to former numbers
18/ Local Government should have power to act on local issues, the grants should be restored so that local government cam meet the needs of local people
19/ Broadband/wifi should be available to everyone and every child should be given a tablet/laptop on starting school to help educate them properly. Education will help close the productivity gap
20/ Unions should be restored to prominence, they are responsible for so many things we take for granted today and collective bargaining helps ensure wages are paid at a proper level.


OK, there is 20 things that this "hard" left "numpty" would like to see for our country, I believe those 20 things would help restore pride in our country, enhance the patriotic feelings towards our nation, because patriotism is about loving the country you live in. It would enhance the role of family and reduce inequality.

Now who will deconstruct those 20 points and explain to this "hard" left "numpty" where I am going wrong?

Your list is very noble and a little corbyn

Item 3???
Not gonna happen when you just gave everyone a house and free broadband supported by the ‘welfare safety net’

People wanna get paid a decent wage for a job and have a decent life
A corbyn style utopia list isn’t practical

Public ownership? Are we trying to move forward or backwards?

Oh and maybe not blaming the rich for everything wrong in society and saying it can all be paid for by taxing top 5% more

There’s an awful lot of lazy people in this country, by offering them the world for nothing it doesn’t help us all move forward

Item 21
Stop telling us how shit our lives are
Just tell us how it will be improved

Anyway off to work now
 
If this was Labour they would clean up.

Corbyn’s Labour were unfortunately obsessed with identity politics, spent too much time on Israel, were anything but patriotic and had no policies based on family values (that I can remember).

A blue Labour, meaning some conservative social and immigration policies, would win, I’m sure of it.

Whilst I like Starmer as an individual, I’m not sure another decade of Blair is what we need.

I think a decade of Blair would be fine
(Obviously without the Iraq war)
I think he did a lot of good
 
Your list is very noble and a little corbyn

Item 3???
Not gonna happen when you just gave everyone a house and free broadband supported by the ‘welfare safety net’

People wanna get paid a decent wage for a job and have a decent life
A corbyn style utopia list isn’t practical

Public ownership? Are we trying to move forward or backwards?

Oh and maybe not blaming the rich for everything wrong in society and saying it can all be paid for by taxing top 5% more

There’s an awful lot of lazy people in this country, by offering them the world for nothing it doesn’t help us all move forward

Item 21
Stop telling us how shit our lives are
Just tell us how it will be improved

Anyway off to work now

And your answer sort of proves why the Labour party is finished, even rational decent ideas on how to improve the lives of the many are dismissed so easily.

Starmer wont fight for the ordinary man on the street, he cant, because you have just proved it cannot be done. We live in a society dominated by myth, the land of 50ft TV screens, the guy who has never worked a day in his life because his budgie died, the scrounger narrative. Its rampant individualism and the constant demonization of the working class hasn't come from me, I want what is best for the working class because I am working class. The greatest con trick of all is the capitalists convincing the working class to vote against their own interests time after time after time, that only works by demonization of the working class and promulgation of the scrounger narrative. Its not an accident this is commonplace, its designed to do so, its manipulative and it works, it keeps the working class in a box where they belong, the underlings of the capitalist class.

As an electorate we get what we deserve, sadly as much as it pains me to say it, the electorate deserve Johnson.
 
Was a ridiculous comment by Peake and a bad endorsement by Long Bailey. Would he have been so decisive in sacking someone more aligned with him politically? It is good to see strong leadership and he’s just about right in his decision. If it’s true that he gave her the opportunity to apologize and take it down but she refused then he absolutely did make the right decision.

He has accused RLB of anti-Semitism, when the tweet was factually correct, Minneapolis police were trained by Israeli's,it is documented. The technique used on Floyd is a well known Isreali policing technique. Amnesty International has chronicled links between the Israeli defence force and US police forces. It is not a conspiracy theory and instead of building relationships with the jewish community he has further alienated them. It has got to the point where any legitimate criticism of Israel is now classed as anti semitic. That is dangerous as it allows the country to act with impunity, it also sets a precedent that means we cant criticise other countries for their actions which in effect negates the whole point of having any foreign policy at all. Every country should be open to criticism regardless of who they are, shutting down criticism leads to demagoguery.

Even the nutjob O'Neill at Spiked have come out in support of RLB saying her sacking is an affront to freedom of speech

The JLM (jewish labour movement) is appalled by the sacking and is calling for Starmer to resign for using AS as a tool to remove a rival, in effect they are saying he should sack himself for being an anti semite.

And if Starmer really believes that it is right to get rid of AS in the Labour party, which I fully support btw, why hasn't he sacked Blairite Rachel Reeves who has repeatedly endorsed the anti-semitic Nancy Astor as a role model, or is it only those on the left who can be sacked for it?

Starmer has used AS to purge the left from the Labour party, whilst refusing to investigate racism aimed at Diane Abbot. Starmer is just carrying on the work of those at HQ who undermined the Labour party at every turn, they are the real culprits behind it, they are the cunts.
 
I have zero time of RLB politically and nor do i have time for the Antisemites but i do have real concerns that we now live in an age where anything you say and i do mean anything will have your opposition being outraged and offended and demanding you be sacked with leaders being left with no place to go whatsoever other than to bow down to the pressure of social media often.

Its been discussed many times but if we are really at a point where you cant even mention Israel then its a pretty sad state of affairs as it now seemingly is with many other topics in life.

We will turn into a society, silenced for fear of being called out by the judge and jury of a small few who shout very loudly.

Glad she has gone because the Labour party needs to get back to the centre ground but dont feel a retweet or whatever it was like this is worthy of anyone being sacked.

Dangerous ground and dangerous times we live in.
 

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