Keir Starmer

[Ancient Citizen]

Peake also said our country was ran by fascist dictators and RLB thinks she’s a diamond for saying that?

Peake, and her ilk, should stick to the pretend industry that employs them.

I wouldn’t begrudge a traditional socialist Labour Party, based on the views of Attlee.

Very good point, there was, then the 'Working Class,' when Tradesmen nowadays can
pull in a grand a week, that descriptive is now redundant. Plus Atlee,
even then, was a one hit wonder.

What it became, and still is really, is a pool of socialist views, mixed with anti British sentiment and radical identity politics.

The most vocal are almost always employed in the public sector, own property,
live in leafy areas, and are never affected by the problems their views produce,
when implemented

Your white van man in Yorkshire doesn’t give a fuck about gender pronouns and doesn’t believe non binary is a thing.

He also is patriotic and doesn’t like Britain’s enemies.

The Labour voters of the past, that returned majorities, were mostly Royalists,
supported the armed forces, and respected the police. Speak to the recent red
wall turncoats and you find the same qualities, this Labour still
hasn't realised that.

 

[Ban-jani]

Peake, and her ilk, should stick to the pretend industry that employs them.


Very good point, there was, then the 'Working Class,' when Tradesmen nowadays can
pull in a grand a week, that descriptive is now redundant. Plus Atlee,
even then, was a one hit wonder.


The most vocal are almost always employed in the public sector, own property,
live in leafy areas, and are never affected by the problems their views produce,
when implemented


The Labour voters of the past, that returned majorities, were mostly Royalists,
supported the armed forces, and respected the police. Speak to the recent red
wall turncoats and you find the same qualities, this Labour still
hasn't realised that.

Don’t disagree with any of that.

The point in tradesman is a good one.

A decent tradesman can earn a very decent salary these days and doesn’t need to rely on a union.

 

[BobKowalski]

Peake, and her ilk, should stick to the pretend industry that employs them.

That ‘pretend industry’ earns billions in revenue and is one of the few industries we are very good at. Sneering anti-intellectualism is a far bigger problem and has caused more harm to this country than Peake ever has or will.

 

[Tb1981]

Yeah. Most of them are fucking Tories. Like Desmond getting his Minister mate to screw Tower Hamlets out of £45m. You get one lot screwing the country out of billions while you wet your pants over Sharon fiddling the social for an extra £40 a week.

The conned are always the last to know they are being conned.

See bob you work on a different level to me and most people who may vote labour but don’t (or the conned)
We’re only arsed about people down at our level and whether things are fair and how things can be improved in our lives
We leave it to people like you to deal with the high level high finance issues dogging the nation.
We just want food drink family and football
People like you are too busy blaming Tory’s and don’t actually try to persuade people why to vote labour.
We’re all thick and easily conned.....
Maybe your views just don’t relate to us

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Don’t disagree with any of that.

The point in tradesman is a good one.

A decent tradesman can earn a very decent salary these days and doesn’t need to rely on a union.

Unions, again, are overwhelmingly attached to the public sector, there
is now no appetite or enthusiasm for them amongst ordinary folk. Labour are struggling
to get their message across because of an obsession, and it's an obsession that's
echoed on here, with 'The Working Class.' It's because they feel the need to be offering
assistance to whom they perceive as a majority, but these people are not now
the same people of 40-50 years ago, and constantly telling them everything is shit
when it patently isn't, is why they keep losing.
Now, Starmers statement, posted some time back, is Jezza MK2, or not
far off it, I'd not seen it, I doubt many have, but with that as a manifesto,
I believe the problems remain.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That ‘pretend industry’ earns billions in revenue and is one of the few industries we are very good at. Sneering anti-intellectualism is a far bigger problem and has caused more harm to this country than Peake ever has or will.

And sneering luvvies like her and the rest of them have done your party
up like a kipper. Just listen to some of the interviews and comments
from before the GE, these people are mocked and derided, and justly so.

 

[blueinsa]

That ‘pretend industry’ earns billions in revenue and is one of the few industries we are very good at. Sneering anti-intellectualism is a far bigger problem and has caused more harm to this country than Peake ever has or will.

Sneering is a bit of a common theme for those who fail to get their messages across to the majority in this country.

 

[urban genie]

I think a decade of Blair would be fine
(Obviously without the Iraq war)
I think he did a lot of good

New labour did do some good things , but most were done by using quick fix ideas like tax credits or asbos rather than trying to rebuild areas devastated by de-indutrialisation and years of Thatchers change to society.

Nearly all the achievements were easily and quickly undone by cameron because no long term planning was achieved.

Also instead of investment and rebuilding places like thw north he rellied on shifting us to a financial services based economy rather than a mixed one and rellied on private investment on public service, something that has bit our health, transport and education services hard.

Only two PMs have really effected long term change to this country post war Attlee and Thatcher other legacies have been quicky reversed.

Blair is only really remembered now because of Iraq

 

[mackenzie]

Don’t disagree with any of that.

The point in tradesman is a good one.

A decent tradesman can earn a very decent salary these days and doesn’t need to rely on a union.

Do you remember a poster called Blueboy85 (or something like that)? Used to post a lot about 10 years ago. He used to go on about his trade and how he didn't need to be in a union; until his employer did something he was angry about and he came on here for advice. The sodding irony! Lol

 

[Ban-jani]

Do you remember a poster called Blueboy85 (or something like that)? Used to post a lot about 10 years ago. He used to go on about his trade and how he didn't need to be in a union; until his employer did something he was angry about and he came on here for advice. The sodding irony! Lol

I do remember him.

There needs to be employment tribunals for sure, when anyone is treated like shit but I don’t believe there’s a need for unions to run the show anymore, I think they abused their power too.

Most tradesman are self employed anyway these days.