Keir Starmer

Kazzydeyna said:
Those 2 days a week you are legally guaranteed to have off. The unions.
Minimum 4 weeks hols a year. The unions.
8 bank holidays a year off. The unions.
Virtually all H&S in the work place. The unions.
Employment protections. The unions.
The fact that until about 40 years ago you could get a shop floor job and buy your own house, own a car, and maybe have a holiday every year. The unions.
The fact that the nhs is still almost free. The unions.
Every pay rise you've ever had. The unions.
The fact that right wing types often reminisce about how society used to be a lot kinder in the old days? They're right it did. Because people used to care about their neighbour. The unions.

You're welcome you shower of ungrateful, swallowed-the-kool-aid, took the benefits of the unions sacrifices but now want to deny my children the same opportunities, cunts.

You deserve the cunts we have in power today. And remember, when they come for your job, your livelihood, your freedoms, because of your own selfish actions there will likely be no union to protect you.

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And, just as importantly, unions work hard today to maintain those same rights they fought for.
 
Rascal said:
What is it that normal people want, that us idiotic "hard" left "numpties" don't get?

There is already a Conservative party, a party of the right, a party of the free market, a party of individualism.

Explain to me what a party of the left should look like, what policies you would like to see a party of the Left have in a manifesto.

Here are 20 primers, can any on here tell me what is wrong with the following and why it should be different, what alternative would better suit the nation.

1/ The NHS should be funded properly, nurses should be paid a proper wage.
2/ The welfare state should be a treasured institution, that provides a proper safety net for those who come across hard times and it should support those unable to support themselves
3/ Everybody who can work, should work
4/ Everybody should pay there fair share of taxation
5/ Infrastructure, like the railways should be in public ownership, its a vital national asset and should be treated accordingly
6/ The armed forces should be properly funded and the services restored to former numbers, with British built ships, British built tanks etc
7/ The police force should be restored to the numbers pre 2008, law and order is the bedrock of a decent society
8/ Immigration should be controlled, asylum seekers should be welcome as per international agreements
9/ Children should receive the best education possible, it should be free and if they want to go on to further education then they should be encouraged to do so and it should be free. Education closes the inequality gap and provides the skills that an economy needs
10/ Nobody should ever be homeless in a rich modern country, Build a million new council houses, with rents at affordable rates and tenancy agreements available for life
11/ Start a new National Investment Bank, that is available for SMEs so that they can provide jobs and help the economy prosper
12/ Invest in green technology, its the future, we no longer rely on coal
13/ Close tax loopholes that allow those with wealth to move wealth out of the country
14/ Electricity and Gas provision is vital for the nation to prosper, it should be owned by the people who need it and paid for it. The public.
15/ No library should ever be shut, they are vital institutions that help educate the nation.
16/ Trial by jury should be sacrosanct
17/ Prisons should be a place that offers rehabilitation, but also punishes those who commit heinious crime. Prison officer numbers should be restored to former numbers
18/ Local Government should have power to act on local issues, the grants should be restored so that local government cam meet the needs of local people
19/ Broadband/wifi should be available to everyone and every child should be given a tablet/laptop on starting school to help educate them properly. Education will help close the productivity gap
20/ Unions should be restored to prominence, they are responsible for so many things we take for granted today and collective bargaining helps ensure wages are paid at a proper level.


OK, there is 20 things that this "hard" left "numpty" would like to see for our country, I believe those 20 things would help restore pride in our country, enhance the patriotic feelings towards our nation, because patriotism is about loving the country you live in. It would enhance the role of family and reduce inequality.

Now who will deconstruct those 20 points and explain to this "hard" left "numpty" where I am going wrong?
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Not one taker then apart from the how much will it cost stuff.

Nobody is complaining at how much the furlough scheme costs, why is that? Where did that money come from?

The above is not even Corbynite, it is more Blairite Social democratic than outright socialist. But it has been dismissed because I am the messager. That is what happens, you play the messager not the message, that is the problem with politics.


So i ask again, somebody, anybody please deconstruct the above and tell me how it will make your lives worse. If it does make your life work then fair enough, but show me how and explain to me why.
 
Ban-jani said:
I do remember him.

There needs to be employment tribunals for sure, when anyone is treated like shit but I don’t believe there’s a need for unions to run the show anymore, I think they abused their power too.

Most tradesman are self employed anyway these days.
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I think the workplace bit of unions is important because they don't just help people in trouble, they negotiate pay rises and other things like ensure that safety measures are in place. When COVID hit our place, the plan for people who couldn't work from home had to go through the union who worked with the company to make sure that work areas were safe, it's not all bad.

The one problem I have with the unions is the level of political involvement which in many cases has blurred their purpose. A workplace union should not be arguing for socialism or the downfall of capitalism when it's workers rely on it for their livelihoods.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Those 2 days a week you are legally guaranteed to have off. The unions.
Minimum 4 weeks hols a year. The unions.
8 bank holidays a year off. The unions.
Virtually all H&S in the work place. The unions.
Employment protections. The unions.
The fact that until about 40 years ago you could get a shop floor job and buy your own house, own a car, and maybe have a holiday every year. The unions.
The fact that the nhs is still almost free. The unions.
Every pay rise you've ever had. The unions.
The fact that right wing types often reminisce about how society used to be a lot kinder in the old days? They're right it did. Because people used to care about their neighbour. The unions.

You're welcome you shower of ungrateful, swallowed-the-kool-aid, took the benefits of the unions sacrifices but now want to deny my children the same opportunities, cunts.

You deserve the cunts we have in power today. And remember, when they come for your job, your livelihood, your freedoms, because of your own selfish actions there will likely be no union to protect you.

I hope some of you cunts starve.
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Oh shut up ffs.

Fucking hysterical scouse-like far left crap.

The point is about the need of unions now. No one has said get rid of them, just their need is less so than it was.

But yeah jump around about it like it’s 1970.
 
Ban-jani said:
Oh shut up ffs.

Fucking hysterical scouse-like far left crap.

The point is about the need of unions now. No one has said get rid of them, just their need is less so than it was.

But yeah jump around about it like it’s 1970.
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Despite your abhorrent, selfish views, never the less..

You're welcome my friend.

Enjoy your days off.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Despite your abhorrent, selfish views, never the less..

You're welcome my friend.

Enjoy your days off.
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You don’t know me mate, you’ve absolutely no idea if I’m selfish or not.

I just disagree with your politics, which obviously means I’m ‘abhorrent’.

You ever wonder why you got hammered by the working class in December?

We don’t like what you’ve got to offer, sorry mate, put your donkey jacket away.
 
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