Keir Starmer

[urban genie]

Labour lost some votes because of the anti-Semitism within their ranks and they lost some because of Corbyn and his cabinet but the main reason (This is only my opinion) is because of their non stance on Brexit.

That is what I said 3 posts ago

 

[Shaelumstash]

No I am not trying to misrepresent anything and understand what you were saying and I am making a different point on the same subject from another angle to your discussion with Rascal.

I am just saying I think to just equate it to north london MPs and momentum pushing this ideolgy is too simplistic.

I know only one member from people I know here in Manchester who wasn't happy with the move to the left wing.


Maybe I wrong, who knows I still believe the 4 points I made are why labour lost.

The membership is not reflective of the electorate, though.

65% of Labour voters voted Remain.

The biggest swing in this election was from Labour to Lib Dem - over 6%, compared to 4% Labour to tory.

Both of those things show you on a macro scale that the core Labour vote doesn’t want a shift to the left. It wants a shift to the centre.

 

[Scottyboi]

Labour lost some votes because of the anti-Semitism within their ranks and they lost some because of Corbyn and his cabinet but the main reason (This is only my opinion) is because of their non stance on Brexit.

Personally don't think the working class care about the Jewish population enough for that to sway a huge amount of votes. It was more to do with the fact Corbyn is painted as someone who isn't patriotic, cosies up to our enemies and is the last person you would want in a trench with you.

 

[robbieh]

Personally don't think the working class care about the Jewish population enough for that to sway a huge amount of votes. It was more to do with the fact Corbyn is painted as someone who isn't patriotic, cosies up to our enemies and is the last person you would want in a trench with you.

Whereas Boris wouldn't even be in the trenches with you.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Labour lost some votes because of the anti-Semitism within their ranks and they lost some because of Corbyn and his cabinet but the main reason (This is only my opinion) is because of their non stance on Brexit.

I’m not sure I agree with your last sentence.

The Labour swing to the Tories was 4% across the country and Labour swing to Lib Dems was 6%.

The Labour MP for Sedgwick said for every door her knocked on that said Brexit was the major issue they wouldn’t vote Labour, 5 more said Corbyn was the main reason.

Corbyn and his policies were toxic on the doorstep, that’s a message that’s been repeated time and time again, even before the polls opened.

 

[Shaelumstash]

A whole sea of comments asking David Miliband to come back and lead the party.

He’d absolutely run rings around Bozo.

I just hope Momentum and the far-left have the intelligence and good grace to realise their project over the last 10 years has been an abject failure electorally and it’s time for a comprehensive new approach if they truly care about putting a stop to a BJ dynasty.

 

[urban genie]

A whole sea of comments asking David Miliband to come back and lead the party.

He’d absolutely run rings around Bozo.

I just hope Momentum and the far-left have the intelligence and good grace to realise their project over the last 10 years has been an abject failure electorally and it’s time for a comprehensive new approach if they truly care about putting a stop to a BJ dynasty.

He saw his arse like a mard fucker, couldn't even support his own brother, quit the party for a well paid position and aboandoned the country.

Yeah he is really what this country needs.


This romantacising about last few years of new labour amd the MPs that came after is as daft as this idea that corbyn was the be all and end all like his supporters do is what is wrong with labour.

Yes 97- 2007 labour did many good things to be proud of, but at a cost of neglecting to the communities now abandoning it.

Membership was declining under the last years of blair and throughout brown, and unlike the tories who are backed by big business, without the membership donations labour wouldn't survive as it couldn't afford to.

David milliband wasn't and still isn't the answer any more than his brother or corbyn has been

 

[urban genie]

Tony blair, gordon brown, donald dewer, john prescot, mo mowlam, alister darling, robin cook, clair short, chris smith, geoff hoon, harriet harman, frank dobson, margaret becket.

That was the 97 cabinet, those were the ones that brought in the good things at the start of new labour as well as stuff I disagreed with, but still I have a respect fpr that original cabinet.

The next generation of MPs cooper, balls, milliband, smith, the eagles, hunt, and many more forgettable ones were not them and never would be as good a politician, in fact all were crap and why labour declining in support in the mebership, this is what I mean about romanticising btw, thinking the second lot were any good to replace the 97 cabinet, because they weren't then and aren't now and are also why people turned to corbyn as their ineptitude and willingness to back austerity was such people wanted to try a new direction.

What comes next? Who knows but looking back at the class of mid 00s thinking they are the answer isn't it.

 

[Shaelumstash]

He saw his arse like a mard fucker, couldn't even support his own brother, quit the party for a well paid position and aboandoned the country.

Yeah he is really what this country needs.


This romantacising about last few years of new labour amd the MPs that came after is as daft as this idea that corbyn was the be all and end all like his supporters do is what is wrong with labour.

Yes 97- 2007 labour did many good things to be proud of, but at a cost of neglecting to the communities now abandoning it.

Membership was declining under the last years of blair and throughout brown, and unlike the tories who are backed by big business, without the membership donations labour wouldn't survive as it couldn't afford to.

David milliband wasn't and still isn't the answer any more than his brother or corbyn has been

He left the party because he, like so many of us saw how the following 10 years were going to play out.

Thousands of us were outraged when McClusky abused his position and annointed Ed.

The majority of the political party disagreed with the direction of travel, which is why they’ve tried to get Corbyn out so many times in the last few years. They say Thursday coming.

It’s not revisionist, we were saying it when Brown turned left. We said it when Ed was annointed. We said it when Jezza got in. Take off the blinkers, mate.

The last 10 years has been a catastrophic failure of epic proportions. It’s time for a better approach. One that has a track record of overwhelming success.

 

[jazzy]

Can't think of a current Labour MP who could inspire me to vote for them