Keir Starmer

[urban genie]

He left the party because he, like so many of us saw how the following 10 years were going to play out.

Thousands of us were outraged when McClusky abused his position and annointed Ed.

The majority of the political party disagreed with the direction of travel, which is why they’ve tried to get Corbyn out so many times in the last few years. They say Thursday coming.

It’s not revisionist, we were saying it when Brown turned left. We said it when Ed was annointed. We said it when Jezza got in. Take off the blinkers, mate.

The last 10 years has been a catastrophic failure of epic proportions. It’s time for a better approach. One that has a track record of overwhelming success.

It was the GMB and Unison that originally pushed to back Ed and eventually they were joined by unite, and as paid up affilates of the party they had that right democraticlly.


And who is ths we who were saying it?

David wasn't stitched up and no one foresaw labour would move towards a return to socialism even after Ed lost the GE as everyone expected Burnham to become leader not corbyn.
The fact is he (DM) never won and abandoned the party amd his brother, for me he is exactly what was wrong wit hlabour at the time, careerism over actual ideology, his and the second generation of new labour careerists are waht led to a move to the left and rejection of them and ultimately sent us on tha path we have reached.

The blame game though is pointless, only what we do next.

 

[Shaelumstash]

It was the GMB and Unison that originally pushed to back Ed and eventually they were joined by unite, and as paid up affilates of the party they had that right democraticlly.


And who is ths we who were saying it?

David wasn't stitched up and no one foresaw labour would move towards a return to socialism even after Ed lost the GE as everyone expected Burnham to become leader not corbyn.
The fact is he (DM) never won and abandoned the party amd his brother, for me he is exactly what was wrong wit hlabour at the time, careerism over actual ideology, his and the second generation of new labour careerists are waht led to a move to the left and rejection of them and ultimately sent us on tha path we have reached.

The blame game though is pointless, only what we do next.

The party has moved steadily leftwards since Blair left. I don’t even think you’d argue with that.

When I saw “we” I’m talking about the centre left of the party. The majority of the parliamentary party thought the same thing, that’s why they tried to oust Jezza so many times. To avoid Thursday from happening.

The unions abused their position mate and I’m pretty sure if you were honest you would see that. David was overwhelmingly popular with the parliamentary party.

I know people who were in unions at the time who were put under insurmountable pressure to vote for Ed by those above them.

You’re absolutely right though, it’s about looking to the future. I for one am absolutely sick of losing and I really hope well intentioned members like yourself feel the same and deep down can consider that a different approach to the last 10 years might be a good thing for the most vulnerable people in the country who will get left for dead by Bozo.

 

[Summerbuzz]

I'm pretty sure he's - at least in part - been used as a patsy. Like the idea was always to lose, and cover the tracks. Progressive politics still exert a large force - Tory leaders since Thatcher have all reacted to this. Major was in many ways a softy, Cameron moved to show a soft edge, and Boris talks about 'One Nation Toryism'. Labour offering this without the negative Tory shit would be a winner. But the reality is that Blair and Brown's success with things like Working Family Tax Credit and so on.... plus the ever increasing EU social and personal protections have one particular effect - every successful piece of legislation and social norm that is adopted, inherently lessens the need indivudals have for protection or representation by a Union or lessons the sense of injustice that may bind them to the need for an ideological answer to 'everything'.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Talk of Emily thorn berry being a potential candidate.

If that happens I’d bet on ten years of Tory rule

 

[urban genie]

Aparently the expected runenrs are

Starmer
Thornbury
Long-bailey
Raynor
Nandy
Phillips
Cooper.

I know of three I will definately not vote for no matter what they say if they campaign.

But honestly none are inspiring

 

[Fame Monster]

Anyone involved in the Corbyn disaster should not be standing as leader. The collapse of the traditional vote shows you can't take the working class for granted any more.

So Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott must go but so must the metropolitan types of Thornberry and Starmer. I think Barry Gardiner is a decent politician but even he's stained by his association with Corbynism so he must go to the backbenches too.

Out of the front runners, I like Lisa Nandy the most but I think the last election result was so bad and the party has become so infiltrated by the far left that no-one will be able to win them back the trust of the country by 2024.

This will take 10 years minimum to turn around. If only there'd been something exactly like this 30 years before that we could have learned from.

 

[urban genie]

Anyone involved in the Corbyn disaster should not be standing as leader. The collapse of the traditional vote shows you can't take the working class for granted any more.

So Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott must go but so must the metropolitan types of Thornberry and Starmer. I think Barry Gardiner is a decent politician but even he's stained by his association with Corbynism so he must go to the backbenches too.

Out of the front runners, I like Lisa Nandy the most but I think the last election result was so bad and the party has become so infiltrated by the far left that no-one will be able to win them back the trust of the country by 2024.

This will take 10 years minimum to turn around. If only there'd been something exactly like this 30 years before that we could have learned from.

Lisa nandy is not a leader, havingnmet her at hustings she is not very good when challenged, Johnson would out manouver her at PMQs l.


But I do agree corbyn surrounded himself by london based MPs as his core cabinet team and alienated the rest of the country, but I don't like the metropolitan elite tag line because of it's origins as a term.

I see andrew adonis is already advocating a purge of the left, and some other of the failed generation of MPs now doing the same.

I agree the core lot McDonnell and Abbot need to also step down, but to remove everyone in the shadow cabinet wpuld be fool hardy in my opinion.

Finally I find it strange that where jess phillips , a person more concerned with sell publising herself and for 4 years constantly going against her party while willing to do opinion poece for the tory press is lauded as a potential leader for being very shouty and passionate, Angela rayner who is equally shouty and passionate is derided because she is more concerned with policy than self promotion.

For me Thornbury won't appeal to the lost northerners
Starmer misunderstood the brexit feeling and pushed for the stanc elabour went with so has tainted himself.
I agree about gardener and think he can survive, and I also like.andrew Guine who is a decent bloke.

I still think Clive lewis is a man inbetween the two factions and also media savy could be a choice, but it will be between cooper long-baily, phillips and thornbury I think and to be honest I don't particularry want to vote for any of them.

As for deputy leader I would advocate Raynor or my own MP Azfal Khan.

On a final note I see the corbynistas are lamenting piddock losing her seat and so not being eligable to replace jezza, personally I couldn't care less, she never really impressed me.

 

[Fame Monster]

Lisa nandy is not a leader, havingnmet her at hustings she is not very good when challenged, Johnson would out manouver her at PMQs l.


But I do agree corbyn surrounded himself by london based MPs as his core cabinet team and alienated the rest of the country, but I don't like the metropolitan elite tag line because of it's origins as a term.

I see andrew adonis is already advocating a purge of the left, and some other of the failed generation of MPs now doing the same.

I agree the core lot McDonnell and Abbot need to also step down, but to remove everyone in the shadow cabinet wpuld be fool hardy in my opinion.

Finally I find it strange that where jess phillips , a person more concerned with sell publising herself and for 4 years constantly going against her party while willing to do opinion poece for the tory press is lauded as a potential leader for being very shouty and passionate, Angela rayner who is equally shouty and passionate is derided because she is more concerned with policy than self promotion.

For me Thornbury won't appeal to the lost northerners
Starmer misunderstood the brexit feeling and pushed for the stanc elabour went with so has tainted himself.
I agree about gardener and think he can survive, and I also like.andrew Guine who is a decent bloke.

I still think Clive lewis as a man inbetween the two factions and also media savy could be a choice, but it will be between cooper long-baily, phillips and thornbury I think and to be honest I don't particularry want to vote for any of them.

As for deputy leader I would advocate Raynor or my own MP Azfal Khan.

On a final note I see the corbynistas are lamenting piddock losing her seat and so not being eligable to replace jezza, personally I couldn't care less, she never really impressed me.

Clive Lewis is more of the same.

Labour won't get back into power by calling everyone who wants immigration controls racist or by refusing to honour referendum results in the immediate aftermath of the result.

He'd be just as toxic to the working class as Corbyn.

 

[urban genie]

Clive Lewis is more of the same.

Labour won't get back into power by calling everyone who wants immigration controls racist or by refusing to honour referendum results in the immediate aftermath of the result.

He'd be just as toxic to the working class as Corbyn.

As a remaine rhe kept.to his stance, that fight and debate is over, brexit is done, it is happening all remainer now to need stop crying nad get on board with the future, if Lewis does this then I have no issue with him keeping to his pricipals on remain.

On imigration, as someone who has been effected by present imigration rules I can only imagine how worse it can be for actual imigrants.


I am not saying lewis is the option, but if it is someone from the self titled blue labour lot nothing will change or heal , if it is entrenched to be a momentum picked one nothing will change or heal.

Honestly name me an MP, inbetween the two factions that can deliver unity.


And it deffinately isn't phillips or burgon

 

[blueinsa]

It's either Rayner or Long Bailey.

No one else will get a look in imo.