Keir Starmer

You told a blatant lie about the Israelis training the US police force in the techniques used to kill George Floyd. A lie even the original source, Maxine Peake, the Independent (which is a nasty antisemitic rag) and Amnesty US had retracted. It's a lie that demonises the world's only Jewish state.

Yet you chose to propagate it and you then have the nerve to complain that people bring the AS issue up.

Not the point I was making, but fair enough if I what I said turned out to be lies, on the evidence of what I had read it certainly did not appear to be lies.

And still it goes on though.
 
What a load of tosh. Boris's Conservative administration is just about as far left as Conservatism gets. Leave yes but Right wing? No.

You highlighted my point perfectly, thank you. That is how far right the Overton window has moved that Johnsons government are now considered to be moderate, but one nation Conservative they are not, whilst Labour were considered far left when they were nowhere near the politics of Foot and Benn.

That is exactly what I was talking about in moving the Overton window, its been so successful you dismiss it as tosh.
 
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Not the point I was making, but fair enough if I what I said turned out to be lies, on the evidence of what I had read it certainly did not appear to be lies.

And still it goes on though.
That's the problem with conspiracy theories. They have a potential grain of truth to them. This one started as a far-right conspiracy theory in the 1970's actually, proving that, when it comes to hating Jews, there's really little difference between the far-right and far-left. You're just as bad as each other.

Fortunately, knowing you, I genuinely believe you aren't antisemitic. But this episode and Corbyn's tenure as leader just goes to prove how easy it is to convince people that Jews are their enemy. There are people on BLM protests, who I believe genuinely want an end to discrimination against people of colour, yet who happily believe Israel - and by extension Jews - are the root of all the evil in the world. You even get people like Jackie Walker claiming Jews were behind the slave trade.
 
You highlighted my point perfectly, thank you. That is how far right the Overton window has moved that Johnsons government are now considered to be moderate, but one nation Conservative they are not, whilst Labour were considered far left when they were nowhere near the politics of Foot and Benn.

That is exactly what I was talking about in moving the Overton window, its been so successful you dismiss it as tosh.

Did you miss the budget in January?

It was nearly Labour’s 2017 manifesto and then what right wing social policies have they returned to, that were lost under New Labour?
 
Watching Ed Milliband on Marr, if this more seasoned an MP with the passion he is showing had been the Ed Milliband as leader I would take him over Starmer.

But milliband was given an awful time then by the press and ridiculed, had anti-semetic attacks about him and his family and sneered at for not being that **** of a beother of his.

I expect many to disagree with this but don't really care.
 
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You highlighted my point perfectly, thank you. That is how far right the Overton window has moved that Johnsons government are now considered to be moderate, but one nation Conservative they are not, whilst Labour were considered far left when they were nowhere near the politics of Foot and Benn.

That is exactly what I was talking about in moving the Overton window, its been so successful you dismiss it as tosh.
As someone who has voted Labour quite often during my life, I have to say that you really are qùite deluded.
I have stayed where I was. Momentum and Corbyn marched the Labour party well off to the left and pretty much made them unelectable.
 
Watching Ed Milliband on Marr, if this more seasoned an MP with the passion he is showing had been the Ed Milliband as leader I would take him over Starmer.

But milliband was given an awful time then by the press and ridiculed, had anti-semetic attacks about him and his family and sneered at for not being that **** of a beother of his.

I expect many to disagree with this but don't really care.

If they'd done the right thing and elected his brother, we'd be 5 years into a Labour government. Not the country's fault the membership are numpties.
 
Watching Ed Milliband on Marr, if this more seasoned an MP with the passion he is showing had been the Ed Milliband as leader I would take him over Starmer.

But milliband was given an awful time then by the press and ridiculed, had anti-semetic attacks about him and his family and sneered at for not being that **** of a beother of his.

I expect many to disagree with this but don't really care.

 

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