Keir Starmer

Whoever from the Left of Labour will be attacked by the media if they become leader. If they haven't got anything concrete, they will just make stuff up anyway.

Its weird ain't it, Johnson does all sorts of stuff that a Labour leader would be crucified for, but we are told to move on, nothing to see here. Ed Miliband eats a bacon butty and its the apocalypse.

Lavery would be a good choice, the Blairites would be in a state of derangement, the media will call him a Marxist and liken him to Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il and Castro rolled into one and the Capitalists will threaten to move en masse to where they have hid all their ill gotten gains from the Taxman.

Too old fashioned to be a good choice, he might be genuine and have working class roots, that could strike accord in Northern post industrial communites but it will only take you so far.

Clive Lewis would be a better leader.
 
Hasn't Lavery got a dodgy loan from a miners pension fund or compensation fund lurking in his past? If so then the RW Press will just be handed another feeding frenzy

There were a few rather dodgy financial aspects of his job at the union. I believe he also got a pay off even though he left to become an MP.

There was an enquiry, so you'll hear that he was "exonerated", but if you read the report, it was more that they simply couldn't prove anything as all the paperwork had been destroyed (legally, as it only has to be kept a few years), and nobody at the union "remembered" what happened.

It was also a legacy union - a lot of the miners unions didn't have current miners as members, but were supporting ex-miners, and did a lot of work on compensation claims, but prior to Lavery leaving they had a "tidy up" and ended the membership of all the ex-miners. So everyone left was pretty much on the committee with Lavery, and these were the people who "forgot" everything that they'd done - and why would you "remember" the reasons for writing off a loan, or paying off someone who already has another job? It also meant that only a simple investigation could be conducted, as it required a complaint from a current member to go further. Of course, now there weren't any current members who weren't close to Lavery.

When you read the investigators report, you can feel their frustration.
 
Whoever from the Left of Labour will be attacked by the media if they become leader. If they haven't got anything concrete, they will just make stuff up anyway.

Its weird ain't it, Johnson does all sorts of stuff that a Labour leader would be crucified for, but we are told to move on, nothing to see here. Ed Miliband eats a bacon butty and its the apocalypse.

Lavery would be a good choice, the Blairites would be in a state of derangement, the media will call him a Marxist and liken him to Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il and Castro rolled into one and the Capitalists will threaten to move en masse to where they have hid all their ill gotten gains from the Taxman.

I have time on my hands I will happily pack their bags for them...........
 
Labour went from 20% of the vote share to losing their deposit in Chesham by election.

They were expected to lose the former safe Tory seat but not with only 620 votes in a 52% turnout.


I hope Keith is asking questions.
 
Labour went from 20% of the vote share to losing their deposit in Chesham by election.

They were expected to lose the former safe Tory seat but not with only 620 votes in a 52% turnout.


I hope Keith is asking questions.

Tactical voting actually being taken seriously for once. Labour will never get in power on their own for god knows how long if ever. Only option will be alliances to bring the Tories down.
 
Labour went from 20% of the vote share to losing their deposit in Chesham by election.

They were expected to lose the former safe Tory seat but not with only 620 votes in a 52% turnout.


I hope Keith is asking questions.
He's lucky the media focus is on the Lib Dem gains so far. Imagine if Corbyn had had similar?
 
Tactical voting actually being taken seriously for once. Labour will never get in power on their own for god knows how long if ever. Only option will be alliances to bring the Tories down.
Labour will lose Batley as well.

IF they have a swing to another candidate as big as the one in Chesham. It'll show have behind the party is and radical changes are required. As well as a national debate on a monumental change in people's voting intentions.
 
Labour will lose Batley as well.

IF they have a swing to another candidate as big as the one in Chesham. It'll show have behind the party is and radical changes are required. As well as a national debate on a monumental change in people's voting intentions.

Yep Labour is eating itself at a time when the UK need them most.
 
Yep Labour is eating itself at a time when the UK need them most.
Indeed.

I don't like saying it. They'll get a spanking in Batley.

Central office are calling, emailing all lefties that have refused to canvass for it because we know that Starmer will blame us if we did.


Sending Blair to Chesham and Mandleson to Hartlepool pretty much proved how out of touch the leadership is.

Unless there's monumental changes the Tory majority maybe cut by pissed off Tories by voting lib dem. Further cutting down their 2nd party numbers in the house.
 
Indeed.

I don't like saying it. They'll get a spanking in Batley.

Central office are calling, emailing all lefties that have refused to canvass for it because we know that Starmer will blame us if we did.


Sending Blair to Chesham and Mandleson to Hartlepool pretty much proved how out of touch the leadership is.

Unless there's monumental changes the Tory majority maybe cut by pissed off Tories by voting lib dem. Further cutting down their 2nd party numbers in the house.
Don't think they will to be honest, had they put up a career politician believe you may be right but choosing as they have could well get votes they wouldn't normally get.
 
Don't think they will to be honest, had they put up a career politician believe you may be right but choosing as they have could well get votes they wouldn't normally get.
I know it's only one by election. If Batley has such a swing result it might show that the electorate no longer vote with the old Right/Left paradigm.

If that's the case a manifesto policy will have to be a referendum on changing the electoral system to better reflect the voters democratic views.
 
Too old fashioned to be a good choice, he might be genuine and have working class roots, that could strike accord in Northern post industrial communites but it will only take you so far.

Clive Lewis would be a better leader.
Clive Lewis would be my choice also, he's well spoken, to the left, Sandhurst graduate, and has done a tour of Afghanistan, would appeal to the so called red wall voters.
 
Clive Lewis would be my choice also, he's well spoken, to the left, Sandhurst graduate, and has done a tour of Afghanistan, would appeal to the so called red wall voters.
Lewis has the student/Young voters appeal as well.
 
Clive Lewis would be my choice also, he's well spoken, to the left, Sandhurst graduate, and has done a tour of Afghanistan, would appeal to the so called red wall voters.

Harry has done 2 tours and the red wall voters have been coerced into hating him
 
No idea what the point of him is to be honest. He votes for the government more often than their own MPs….
The latest ‘lockdown extension’ is a classic case in point. The last 18 months have seen one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the rich in history, due to pandemic measures and, not only does he blindly vote with Johnson, he wants it tougher and longer.
The single biggest difference to this thing would have been a proper financial incentive to stay at home when you were ill. Make it so the poorest paid, most financially vulnerable in society didn’t fear having no food to put on the table or losing their job for being ill and you’d have stopped this infection in its tracks. It’s no coincidence that, aside from age and other ill health, this disease affects the poor in a disproportionate way.
Does Keith suggest anything different, ever? Offering the same policies as Johnson and losing to Johnson is hardly a surprise.
Being outmanoeuvred by Ed Davey? Now that must be a major worry for Labour.
 
Flicking through twitter (yes i know) Labour are begging Lib Dem voters to vote for them to stop the Tories in Batley and Spen. They are slagging off Galloway and that crank Luke Akehurst is blaming Owen Jones for Starmer's dismal showing. Coyne who is trying to become leader of Unite is slagging off the other candidates as Communists and/or Socialist Workers Party supporters. Starmer is sacking everyone that moves and replacing them with people who are apparently named in the Forde Report which he wont release.

Labour centrists are in full on meltdown, some are calling for Bercow to lead the Labour party.


The left at the moment is like the end of a wedding, the bit where everyone goes in the car park for a punch up, there is blood, screaming and accusations of betrayal as old jealousies surface, whilst the more reserved look on in bemusement.

The left is always fun, it is a bit bizarre at times and we can argue over the smallest detail of ideology but our heart is in the right place and we are not Tories, the evil fuckers.
 
Just read on twitter (yes i know its twitter) that Keith is getting ready to walk, it is highly likely Labour lose Batley and Spen which will be as bad if not worse than losing Hartlepool.

If he walks what happens next, the centrists will hissy, the media will be aghast, the left emboldened , the membership mostly celebrating, Corbyn back in the party.

I wonder what odds on next leader are, who is fit to be leader. Nobody stands out to me, the right will back Cooper, the left back to supporting Rebecca and we could end up with Jess Phillips.

On the plus side Hodge might finally take up her threat of leaving the party, hopefully for good and maybe take Ryan with her.

In the shadows though lurks Blair, what price a resurrection ....Even newer Labour, things can only get madder.
Jesus, times really are bad for Labour aren’t they?
 
Flicking through twitter (yes i know) Labour are begging Lib Dem voters to vote for them to stop the Tories in Batley and Spen. They are slagging off Galloway and that crank Luke Akehurst is blaming Owen Jones for Starmer's dismal showing. Coyne who is trying to become leader of Unite is slagging off the other candidates as Communists and/or Socialist Workers Party supporters. Starmer is sacking everyone that moves and replacing them with people who are apparently named in the Forde Report which he wont release.

Labour centrists are in full on meltdown, some are calling for Bercow to lead the Labour party.


The left at the moment is like the end of a wedding, the bit where everyone goes in the car park for a punch up, there is blood, screaming and accusations of betrayal as old jealousies surface, whilst the more reserved look on in bemusement.

The left is always fun, it is a bit bizarre at times and we can argue over the smallest detail of ideology but our heart is in the right place and we are not Tories, the evil fuckers.
Until the left realises that the people it’s supposed to represent don’t give a monkeys about personal pronouns, doesn’t wake up every morning worried about a colonial past it can’t change, doesn‘t discuss the Palestinians first thing every morning but does think of itself as patriotic, hard working if given the chance and also aspirational, the left is done for in this country.
The sad thing is it knows what a lot of the policies needed are and they’re often in the manifesto, but it gets itself lost in minority politics. I’m not saying we shouldn’t stand up for minorities but they should also be standing up for everyone else they’re supposed to represent and, in that, they have failed, they and continue to fail dismally, I’m afraid.
 
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Until the left realises that the people it’s supposed to represent don’t give a monkeys about personal pronouns, doesn’t wake up every morning worried about a colonial past it can’t change, doesn‘t discuss the Palestinians first thing every morning but does think of itself as patriotic, hard working, if given the chance, and also aspirational, the left is done for in this country.
The sad thing is it knows what a lot of the policies needed are and they’re often in the manifesto, but it gets itself lost in minority politics. I’m not saying we shouldn’t stand up for minorities but they should also be standing up for everyone else they’re supposed to represent and, in that, they have failed, they and continue to fail dismally, I’m afraid.
You have perfectly described the whole point of the RW led culture wars.

The problem the left has is finding an answer to these accusations.

Personal pronouns, its not a Socialist issue, it is a liberal issue, an issue that the RW of the Labour party with their metro sensibilities think is liberating, to the working class base it doesn't fucking matter, me personally I couldnt care less about it, i am more interested in whether the pronouns are being fed, have homes, have access to good education etc than if they are Mr, Mrs , Ms or whatever else they want to be.

Is anyone really concerned about our colonial past, if the people behind the culture wars were concerned then why is it not taught properly, warts and all. By all means teach the good bits, but teach the bad bits too. You do not learn about Fascism by saying they built great Autobahns, you learn by what bad stuff they did as well. So teach that the Empire was built on the backs of colonialism, learn how the subcontinent was exploited, its industry closed down so Manchester could produce textiles to sell back to the subcontinent, learn the reasons why it happened, do not ignore it, it happened. It doesn't make the UK any less of a country, it makes us a more honest open country willing to accept we made mistakes as well as doing a lot of good. Learn that we used slavery to populate cotton fields to pick cotton, to send to Manchester to make textiles to sell to India and use the profit to buy opium to sell, learn we were basically drug dealers. We don't have to apologise for it, it is nobody who is alive who is at fault our ancestors were cunts. Ignoring history though is wrong, rewriting history is wrong. It is a fact that Great Britain became the biggest colonialists of all and they did so because we had an abundance of Oak trees, that we used to build the worlds greatest navy. Teach it all, warts and all.

I steer clear of the Palestine issue, but there are people who see it as a re-enactment of the aparthied struggles in South Africa. They may have a point, it is a fringe thing though and not really as widespread as is made out. It has been used though to paint the left as antisemitic. There may be some antisemitic stuff thrown around, I dont do it and nobody I know does it.

As for Patriotism, it was always the left that was Patriotic, it was always and will always be the working class that do the majority of the dying in the name of Queen of country. Personally though I get sick of having flags rammed down my throat as waving a flag does not make you a patriot, caring about your community, caring about your fellow man and caring about countries good name makes you a patriot. The cunts waving flags and ramming Englishness down peoples throats are not Patriots they are Nationalists, and as Orwell says Patriotism is defensive it is a love of your country Nationalism desires power and seeks prestige. it is not love it is driven by avarice and it is offensive.

The Labour party was formed as a party for Workers, it was aspirational for workers who had long been downtrodden and unrepresented in the corridors of power, it wanted power for the working class, it wanted the working class to be better and be given life chances like those of everyone else. That is aspiration not the corrupted Tory version of aspiration where what you own is more important than what you are. In Socialism there is no room for idleness, everyone works, the goal is always full employment, it is the capitalist class that do not like full employment because full employment puts power in the hands of the workers and they can demand a bigger slice of the pie.

Of course Labour should stand up for minorities, but Labour should also stand up for majorities too, because Labour should stand up for everyone. We already have a party in government that governs for a minority, although the capitalist class are never portrayed as a minority, but they are and they are the ones who hold power and treat us to these ridiculous culture wars so they can stay in power. They want what is there's and what is yours, that drives inequality and the thick fuckers do not see that by pursuing this narrow minded agenda they create inequalities amongst themselves.

As long as people fall for these culture wars though Labour has no chance of power, when flag waving is more important than feeding kids, singing the national anthem is more important than building decent homes and salivating over statues of long dead anti-heros is more important than building houses then this government and its cronies can carry on with their systematic rape and pillaging of the nations treasure,
 

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