Unemployment rate now? National debt now?
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Keir Starmer
- Thread starter urban genie
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hilts
Well-Known Member
Unemployment rate now? National debt now?
Oh dear that is desperate
Unemployment rate now? National debt now?
After a coronavirus epidemic? really?
I also notice you lead with the 'national debt' argument - ignoring the fact that tories have reduced deficit to end 2019 consistently following Labour's government.
2019 -58,755 -2.10%
2018 -63,463 -2.20%
2017 -65,543 -2.50%
2016 -90,252 -3.30%
2015 -134,522 -4.60%
2014 -170,517 -5.60%
2013 -154,005 -5.50%
2012 -221,371 -8.20%
2011 -199,871 -7.50%
2010 -229,726 -9.30%
2009 -244,268 -10.10%
https://countryeconomy.com/deficit/uk
So taking the virus into account is ok but not a global banking crash?Oh dear that is desperate
Oh look. You missed out the Labour years before the crash.After a coronavirus epidemic? really?
I also notice you lead with the 'national debt' argument - ignoring the fact that tories have reduced deficit to end 2019 consistently following Labour's government.
2019 -58,755 -2.10%
2018 -63,463 -2.20%
2017 -65,543 -2.50%
2016 -90,252 -3.30%
2015 -134,522 -4.60%
2014 -170,517 -5.60%
2013 -154,005 -5.50%
2012 -221,371 -8.20%
2011 -199,871 -7.50%
2010 -229,726 -9.30%
2009 -244,268 -10.10%
https://countryeconomy.com/deficit/uk
2009 -244,268 -10.10%
2008 -151,114 -5.10%
2007 -82,488 -2.70%
2006 -75,252 -2.80%
2005 -79,979 -3.10%
2004 -74,305 -3.10%
2003 -64,386 -3.10%
2002 -33,531 -1.90%
2001 3,510 0.20%
2000 22,581 1.40%
1999 10,549 0.60%
1998 -5,391 -0.30%
1997 -31,143 -2.10%
Rascal
El Presidente
You have put up a long list there, all of which are criticisms based on your
perceptions, not reality, I cant be arsed answering each one, but will have a bash at a few,,,
That is just one of your perceptions, profit=tax=money to fund services.
Why are all the services being cut then?
You can start a topic on CND if you like, but people value the protection.
Each and every CND argument is rejected, by the people, but it's interesting.
How does a big fuck off bomb in a submarine under the artic ice shelf protect Openshaw?
Silly smear tactics, tell us who is denied equality, and which institution promotes
it.
access to jobs such in the judiciary, parliament, banking, journalism and lots more sector are dominated by those who went to publics school
Because people are not class obsessed, do not harp on about it, and are happy
with private schools, the other characteristics are your personal opinions,
not those of many. Plus, even if we accept them, Corbyn's were far worse.
As subjective as you assume I was being
We've had mostly Tory governments since the NHS was formed, if they wanted it sold
off, it would have been. How would selling it off benefit them? they would be out toot sweet.
Why are the following the same pattern with the NHS that they have with every other public owned asset, defund, destroy, outsource
Which tax cuts? A person earning £80 thou a year pays around 5 times more tax than
someone on £25000, tax is graded 20% 40% and 45%, the 'Rich' pay more, the very rich
1% pay around a third of the total tax take. Tax them more, you get less, the balance is about
right. So what other tax breaks are they getting?
The Laffer Curve has long been discredited as idiotic economics, its now called the laughable curve.
The education budget has increased year on year, where do you get your info
from?
https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_education_analysis.
I haven't opened the link, it may have increased in real terms without increasing.
The reason you can't understand 'Why' is your politics are not viewed as beneficial
to working folk, they see through the simplistic nonsense of blaming wealthy people,
they long ago eschewed envy politics, and under the Tories, have done relatively well.
Constantly telling them that they're not, doesn't wash, Labour have taken this tack
for years, and still don't understand why it doesn't work.
I don't hate people with wealth, I want them to pay their fair share. They do a great job of convincing people they do as they control the media
Blair, hated by the left, knew how to win them over, he used optimism, and
understood the value of courting business, not punishing it, unless they return to
this model they'll be knackered forever.
Bair wasn't a Socialist, he was a neo-liberal imperialist not much different to the tories
hilts
Well-Known Member
So taking the virus into account is ok but not a global banking crash?
When did I discount the global banking crash
purplenose
Well-Known Member
Explain to me why they do then?
The NHS is a beloved institution, why do people vote for a party that despises the NHS and would love to sell it off.
Why do working class people vote for a party that offers tax cuts to the rich, but not themselves.
Why do the working class vote for a party that cuts education funding for their kids
Why do the working class vote for a party that closes down the parks and youth clubs their kids play at
Why do working class people vote for a party that despises Unions
Why do working class people vote for people who raise regressive taxes like VAT
Why do working class people vote for a party that supports zero hours contracts
Why do the working class vote for a party that has raised pension ages
Why do the working class vote for a party that pays one of the lowest pensions in Europe
Why do the working class vote for a party that puts profit before people
Why do the working class vote for a party that will waste billions on nuclear weapons
Why do the working class vote for a party that has all but destroyed the welfare state safety net
Why do the working class vote for a party that is fine with homelessness
Why do the working class vote for a party that closes libraries
Why do the working class vote for a party that puts bankers before buses
Why do the working class vote for a party that is fine with inequality of opportunity
Why do the working class vote for a party that does little about poverty
Why do the working class vote for a party that does not recognise the public sector has a place
Why do the working class vote for a party that promotes privilege
Why on this fucking earth would the working class ever vote for crony capitalism
And why the fuck would the working class vote for an old Etonian Bullingdon boy lying narcissistic **** like Johnson.
I have more whys, but I am trying to get through to the GPs to get an appointment for my mum and I fear at any moment my phone will go through the window.
Very good post, all true, doctors appointment ....dont be silly.
Feel free to add more whys, but sadly all they will do is outline what a disgrace that the opposition has become to allow the Tories to win the last election, and incredibly following the pandemic clusterfuck, the next one as well.
You have to ask yourself why considering all those correct points you make we could not vote for Labour. It is in the main because they are an seen as extreme. People feel that to vote for Labour would be to vote for themselves becoming second class citizens below anyone ethnic or sexually diverse. IT is because people know that to get rid of our nuclear weapons would be stupidity in the extreme.
Whilst few are happy with how our country and society is they are absolutely horrified at the thought of we we would go under a Labour government until there is a radical shift and many of the current powers that be are nowhere near the job.
There is nothing good about the Tories, nothing at all, they are a lamentable shower who have made an absolute mess of the covid outbreak, they are in the process of doing the same with Breit, but sadly the vast majority will take that adl before risking the alternative.