Keir Starmer

[mcfc1632]

Labour lost badly because of BREXIT, it failed to support it, when it should have done and that left the working class at odds with the party. It made Labour look the party of the liberal metro elite and the red wall fucked them off as a result.

Britain has got huge problems with poverty, parts of Manchester are amongst the poorest areas in Europe, we have more foodbanks than Mcdonalds, the austerity years were cruel on those with least, the minimum wage is a joke, the NHS is crumbling and lacks funding, the schools are a disgrace, UK students pay some of the highest fees in the world, we have massive problems with homelessness, their is a crisis in mental health services, zero hour jobs are a piss take, the manufacturing industry has been destroyed, the Banks have took the piss, the roads are full of potholes, the railways are third world, town centres are dying, yes some are doing well and good luck to them but many are not and those who are not doing well are doing even worse under this miserable fucking excuse for a Govt, but the very tradesman who are doing well complained about immigrants taking their jobs so who are they doing well?

Politics in this country is always about class, everything that is done is about class, Blair claimed we are all middle class now, the fucking clown pandering to the Thatcherite myth of a meritocracy, a meritocracy that does not exist because Capitalism does not allow for a meritocracy so the Capitalists use their influence to paint anything that threatens their hegemony as hard left because they hate parting with their money, they are only patriotic towards their bank balance and yachts in the Cayman Islands not to the country or its millions of hard working decent folk struggling to get by from day to day with no savings and relying on foodbanks to feed their kids.

And what we have now is a Labour party in thrall to the capitalists because they have backed Starmer and he is no threat to their hegemony because he needs their money to become PM.

Spot on - and yet so many still refuse to accept the simple truth

 

[mcfc1632]

Vic spent the entire campaign on the phone to his mates i think, an echo chamber.

Labour lost because of its remain stance and because a lifetime EU sceptic in Corbyn betrayed not only his own beliefs but those of millions of his normally loyal core vote.

the campaigning was probably all done via WhatsApp groups;-)

 

[Rascal]

Last time I checked the gender groups ranged from 15 to over a 100. It's the point when utter madness sets in. Intolerance will be the cry no doubt to anyone who can be arsed sticking their necks out publicly.

Bafflement sums it up best for me. I think other issues have hampered it's progress so far.

I have always been pretty much live and let live, its not something i get hot or bothered about. When i used to do the Human Library one of the books was a Transexual from Bolton, i would like to think i treated her with the same respect i treat any other person, she was OK with me and we chatted about life in general during breaks and had a laugh just as i would any other person. She never pushed her situation on anybody, she just told her story through her book. When we looked at the reading figures her book was one of the most popular, far more popular than mine because i think her back story fascinated people where as mine is pretty dull.

Its a shame the Human Library no longer runs as i would love to get her views on all this gender stuff.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I have always been pretty much live and let live, its not something i get hot or bothered about. When i used to do the Human Library one of the books was a Transexual from Bolton, i would like to think i treated her with the same respect i treat any other person, she was OK with me and we chatted about life in general during breaks and had a laugh just as i would any other person. She never pushed her situation on anybody, she just told her story through her book. When we looked at the reading figures her book was one of the most popular, far more popular than mine because i think her back story fascinated people where as mine is pretty dull.

Its a shame the Human Library no longer runs as i would love to get her views on all this gender stuff.

Good point, it's my view that the person you're talking about represents the true face of Transexuals, My stepsons best mate got married to a Jock lass about 6 years ago, great do at the hotel opposite Royal Troon (if that's right, I don't watch golf) golf course. At the reception one of the relatives of the bride was introduced to us, a massive (man/woman?) dressed in women's clothes, she had two sons, the nicest young lads you could meet, and she was the wittiest, most intelligent person around, no edge at all, and nobody commented about her appearance, all in all, a well balanced, rounded individual with a great family. I don't know if she was transexual, gay (would doubt that), or just liked cross dressing, and don't care which.
Most of the strident, finger pointing, rants we hear come from people determined to push the narrative that most hate/despise these people,
not from the individuals themselves, they just get on with life.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Most of the strident, finger pointing, rants we hear come from people determined to push the narrative that most hate/despise these people,

Your evidence being?

 

[The perfect fumble]

I have always been pretty much live and let live, its not something i get hot or bothered about.

Most blokes don't, it doesn't effect them, but it does effect women and because the left, for the most part, sees everything through the prism of masculine class based politics, or pick and mix identity politics, it can amble in to ludicrous policy positions regarding women by dint of lazy misogyny.



They are all men.

It is now considered a "hate incident" to state that obvious irrefutable fact.



A Cabinet Member for Children’s Services at Swansea Council no less!

Remember, we should be....

“Creating a more equal post-Covid-19 world for people who menstruate”

“People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?”

JK Rowling

Horror in Hogwarts!

Or how about “individuals with a cervix”.

Of course anyone who thinks "hang on a minute" is motivated by hate, even Ancient Citizen thinks so!

 

[west didsblue]

I notice David Miliband is now criticising the left of the Labour party and Corbyn for undermining Sir Keith and hasn't ruled out a return to frontline politics.

The hypocrisy of the **** knows no bounds. When his father was disgracefully attacked by the Mail, it was the left who supported his father, it was Corbyn who was on TV supporting his father and now David fresh from his job at the UN dept of international terrorism and capitalist exploitation wants to help return Labour back to the days of Blairism.


Another nail in the coffin of the Labour party, I mean the **** couldn't even win an election when both candidates were called Miliband.

There needs to be a new Socialist party of the left that reflects working class values rather than the current regime with its bohemian liberal London centric establishment font.

Good news if Miliband really is contemplating a return. Another step towards making Labour electable for a significant proportion of the population, the ones that don’t have much interest in far left ideology.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Of course anyone who thinks "hang on a minute" is motivated by hate, even Ancient Citizen thinks so!

Now now, behave yourself, I'm actually in full agreement, for once, with you, the
scenarios you depict above are reflective of modern Labour, and indeed other political parties. You asked me for evidence, and then went on to provide it yourself, Labour are now saying people like me, and indeed you, are guilty of hate crimes by just questioning what is being projected by them as 'Normal.'
These are the ones pushing the 'Hate' buttons, as you have just shown us.

 

[blueinsa]

Good news if Miliband really is contemplating a return. Another step towards making Labour electable for a significant proportion of the population, the ones that don’t have much interest in far left ideology.

I just read, agreed with and liked your post!

 

[west didsblue]

I just read, agreed with and liked your post!

Oh bollocks.
I must have said something really stupid ;-)