salfordbluetrue
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Keir Starmer
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This would be the headline on all news channels had it been the former leader.
jay_mcfc
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But all the centrist dads told us all Labour had to do was ditch Corbyn and they'd be 10 points ahead? The country has gone right. The Red Wall has gone right. The party needs a complete transformation and Starmer isn't the man to leade it.
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese
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If you add arbitrary sub categories you can prove anything you like. This sort of delusion that gets us to a definition of 'working class' that includes Boris and Rees-mogg, and sees century old labour safe seats turn blue.Most of the working class who are in work voted Remain. Most people in work in every class voted Remain.
True, but I think what we understood as working class doesn’t really exist anymore, so it can be a bit misleading. Think there was some sort of national study a few years ago that identified 7(?) different classes. Clearly didn’t catch on tho.If you add arbitrary sub categories you can prove anything you like. This sort of delusion that gets us to a definition of 'working class' that includes Boris and Rees-mogg, and sees century old labour safe seats turn blue.
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100% agree. The clear cut class distinction disappeared along with the move from manufacturing/heavy industry to services. My own perception (possibly bollocks) is the concept of middle class has vastly increased in both directions along with an unemployed underclass that we seem to have decided are cheaper to keep on benefits than in work :-(True, but I think what we understood as working class doesn’t really exist anymore, so it can be a bit misleading. Think there was some sort of national study a few years ago that identified 7(?) different classes. Clearly didn’t catch on tho.
I'm going off research of thousands of voters, not the few people bluemooners meet.Not sure about that, every person i know who is on or near the minimum wage vote out, immigration rightly or wrongly was the main topic, and wages and jobs the reason, even everyone i know who is unemployed voted out
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This trump type denial or reframing of election results that don't fit our preconceived ideas of who votes for what blind us to reality sometimes. This blindness is preyed upon by opportunists like Boris who saw an opportunity to grab power and a huge majority while people were essentially distracted by trivia. Not a dig at you Vic, just a general comnent on the demise of losers consent in democracies.I'm going off research of thousands of voters, not the few people bluemooners meet.
You’re right, the country is right wing, especially England.But all the centrist dads told us all Labour had to do was ditch Corbyn and they'd be 10 points ahead? The country has gone right. The Red Wall has gone right. The party needs a complete transformation and Starmer isn't the man to leade it.
There’s not really much you can do at the moment if you are Labour but jumping into bed with the SNP is suicide.