Keir Starmer

urban genie said:
Is starmer on holiday?

Not heard a peep from him for a while
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Where are you looking?

I suppose Starmer gets Johnson rambling at PMQ is now as much news as Dog bites man.

Plus overshadowed at PMQ this week by Liar Johnson just wrong about batteries in Bridgend.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
I think Starmer is going to be ousted far sooner than any of us realised...
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It is rare a Labour leader is ousted, in fact I cant think of one, it is late on Friday night mind, Starmer would have to resign or somebody would have to mount a leadership challenge and then put it to the members. Even then with the Left purged Starmer may well be safe. I don't see where a leadership challenge would come from ATM so he would have to resign and I can't see that either. The party is stuck with him i reckon until after the local elections at least. A disastrous showing in them and he will have to resign, a decent result and he carries on. The Tories might well consider a decent night for Labour in the local elections as a bonus, as it keeps Keith in place and that keeps the party split.

The Tories are far more ruthless when it comes to replacing leaders, they have a mechanism in the 1922 committee.
 
Rascal said:
It is rare a Labour leader is ousted, in fact I cant think of one, it is late on Friday night mind, Starmer would have to resign or somebody would have to mount a leadership challenge and then put it to the members. Even then with the Left purged Starmer may well be safe. I don't see where a leadership challenge would come from ATM so he would have to resign and I can't see that either. The party is stuck with him i reckon until after the local elections at least. A disastrous showing in them and he will have to resign, a decent result and he carries on. The Tories might well consider a decent night for Labour in the local elections as a bonus, as it keeps Keith in place and that keeps the party split.

The Tories are far more ruthless when it comes to replacing leaders, they have a mechanism in the 1922 committee.
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It's tragic. Labour has lost touch with its working class base. This definition of working class was actually posted elsewhere on this forum:

'It depends what you mean by working class. If you mean people that work'

This whole new level of stupid comfortably includes Boris and possibly the Queen as working class.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It's tragic. Labour has lost touch with its working class base. This definition of working class was actually posted elsewhere on this forum:

'It depends what you mean by working class. If you mean people that work'

This whole new level of stupid comfortably includes Boris and possibly the Queen as working class.
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They’re a middle class movement that doesn’t realise they are, that’s the issue they have.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It's tragic. Labour has lost touch with its working class base. This definition of working class was actually posted elsewhere on this forum:

'It depends what you mean by working class. If you mean people that work'

This whole new level of stupid comfortably includes Boris and possibly the Queen as working class.
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Most of the working class who are in work voted Remain. Most people in work in every class voted Remain.
 
Vic said:
Most of the working class who are in work voted Remain. Most people in work in every class voted Remain.
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Not sure about that, every person i know who is on or near the minimum wage vote out, immigration rightly or wrongly was the main topic, and wages and jobs the reason, even everyone i know who is unemployed voted out
 
Vic said:
Most of the working class who are in work voted Remain. Most people in work in every class voted Remain.
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If you add arbitrary sub categories you can prove anything you like. This sort of delusion that gets us to a definition of 'working class' that includes Boris and Rees-mogg, and sees century old labour safe seats turn blue.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If you add arbitrary sub categories you can prove anything you like. This sort of delusion that gets us to a definition of 'working class' that includes Boris and Rees-mogg, and sees century old labour safe seats turn blue.
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True, but I think what we understood as working class doesn’t really exist anymore, so it can be a bit misleading. Think there was some sort of national study a few years ago that identified 7(?) different classes. Clearly didn’t catch on tho.
 
joe123 said:
True, but I think what we understood as working class doesn’t really exist anymore, so it can be a bit misleading. Think there was some sort of national study a few years ago that identified 7(?) different classes. Clearly didn’t catch on tho.
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100% agree. The clear cut class distinction disappeared along with the move from manufacturing/heavy industry to services. My own perception (possibly bollocks) is the concept of middle class has vastly increased in both directions along with an unemployed underclass that we seem to have decided are cheaper to keep on benefits than in work :-(
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Not sure about that, every person i know who is on or near the minimum wage vote out, immigration rightly or wrongly was the main topic, and wages and jobs the reason, even everyone i know who is unemployed voted out
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I'm going off research of thousands of voters, not the few people bluemooners meet.
 
Vic said:
I'm going off research of thousands of voters, not the few people bluemooners meet.
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This trump type denial or reframing of election results that don't fit our preconceived ideas of who votes for what blind us to reality sometimes. This blindness is preyed upon by opportunists like Boris who saw an opportunity to grab power and a huge majority while people were essentially distracted by trivia. Not a dig at you Vic, just a general comnent on the demise of losers consent in democracies.
 
jay_mcfc said:
But all the centrist dads told us all Labour had to do was ditch Corbyn and they'd be 10 points ahead? The country has gone right. The Red Wall has gone right. The party needs a complete transformation and Starmer isn't the man to leade it.
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You’re right, the country is right wing, especially England.

There’s not really much you can do at the moment if you are Labour but jumping into bed with the SNP is suicide.
 
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