Keir Starmer

[The perfect fumble]

If you haven't, strongly recommend you read Piketty's Capital and Ideology. The main premise of the book is why social democratic parties all over the western world (and beyond) are in the shit, and it's not what you are describing above.

Thanks, but as I'm presently enjoying The World Crisis 1911-1918 by Winston Churchill, I'm afraid it'll have to go on a rather long list.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I just don't live on an ideal like people who don't want to win elections and change the country for the better instead of let this shit show continue. I've just reflected what Cummings would call the silent voters, the ones who if left disregarded deliver us the results we don't really need. But pontificating and doubling down makes the noise and attention they crave so each to their own, it's not actually getting us anywhere productive but we have a "live in the moment" society based on feelings so there we go.

The real silent voters are the majority of the electorate who vote, time and time again, for "progressive" parties in our first past the post system and then get precisely the opposite, and that was true yet again in 2019.

 

[bluejon]

Thanks, but as I'm presently enjoying The World Crisis 1911-1918 by Winston Churchill, I'm afraid it'll have to go on a rather long list.

I know what you mean. A mate recommended me a book near the beginning of lockdown last year and I'm finally going to start it next week when i finish my current one (arguing with zombies by paul krugman. not particularly in depth, but a damn good read). Regardless of how long it takes you to get round to it though, anyone interested in where our politics currently lies should read that book (the piketty one). It's outstanding.

 

[Rascal]

Are you being sardonic?


A reduction in the majoriy by 3000 and getting through by just over 300 vote isn't comfortably imho

However it keeps the wolves from the door a while longer.

The bigger worry is over 8000 people in B&S were willing to vote for that dickhead galloway, though it probably saved labour as he will have took tory votes as well as labours

I was a bit yeah, it was a surprise though, i expected another Hartlepool. It appears though the big factor was Hancock and his against the rules shagging. The Tory woman who was on SKY News this morning got a proper grilling over it from Kay Burley.

The best news was fascist Frandsen got 50 votes, which was 57 less than the Monster Raving Loonies

 

[Rascal]

“fairly comfortably”? Do you work for Pravda?

NO​

 

[Vic]

As Shadow Education Secretary I was disappointed Labour couldn’t choose an MP capable of knowing how to use was / were correctly. She’s an absolute liability.

I didn't know you were the Shadow Education Secretary.

They who live by pedantry die by pedantry.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just seen him on the news “Labour is coming home”, what an utter pillock.

at least he didn't errrrr................. cover a cul-de-sac in a flag of St George and then get filmed by a drone barely able to raise his fat arms above shoulder level - I mean that would be pathetic wouldn't it?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I was a bit yeah, it was a surprise though, i expected another Hartlepool. It appears though the big factor was Hancock and his against the rules shagging. The Tory woman who was on SKY News this morning got a proper grilling over it from Kay Burley.

The best news was fascist Frandsen got 50 votes, which was 57 less than the Monster Raving Loonies

Just a few hundred votes in it, so quite plausible that there were enough folk swayed by Hancock breaking his own rules and shitting on the wife and kids to make the difference. It's nice to see the Tories not winning for once ,but as I don't see anyone that I regard as on the actual left with a chance of taking the labour leadership from Keith I'm fairly ambivalent about this short stay of execution. Unite leadership election will be the next big marker in terms of whether labour has any future as a socialist party or is condemned to become a vanilla centrist tory-lite option for a few years every couple of decades when the electorate need a rest from full on tory rule.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Just a few hundred votes in it, so quite plausible that there were enough folk swayed by Hancock breaking his own rules and shitting on the wife and kids to make the difference. It's nice to see the Tories not winning for once ,but as I don't see anyone that I regard as on the actual left with a chance of taking the labour leadership from Keith I'm fairly ambivalent about this short stay of execution. Unite leadership election will be the next big marker in terms of whether labour has any future as a socialist party or is condemned to become a vanilla centrist tory-lite option for a few years every couple of decades when the electorate need a rest from full on tory rule.

If it wasn’t for Galloway doing everything he can to stop Labour winning - then they would have romped it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If it wasn’t for Galloway doing everything he can to stop Labour winning - then they would have romped it.

If you assume that every vote cast for him would have otherwise been cast for labour then yes - he'd love us to believe that.