Keir Starmer

Gray said:
And why did so many vote for an idiot like Galloway?
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Because they are thick stupid bellends who fall for the lies of snake oil salesmen and charlatans who tell thm if they have a problem its the fault of immigrants or brown people or people who worship in a temple ( oddly few of the bellends are practising religion ) or the poor ( you'll note its never the fault of the rich ) or single mums or feckless dads or people who drive a polluting petrol car rather than buying at £75k electric car or feral children running wild or the Police and criminal justice system are too soft and of course because they follow the (flawed ) escape plan and stay in a burning building rather than having the common sense to get out.

The thing is that for the most part the people they believe will desert them and get as far away from the scene of the crime as possible - look at Call Me Dave, look at Farage look at Galloway himself - once he is bounced out Johnson will step down as an MP - if he can't live on a PM salary he can't get by on a mere MP's salary - he won't think twice about his constituents nor its voters.

As long as people are too dumb to do the research and see through these people then they will continue to disrupt and distort British political life with a reach that far outweighs their ability.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Just a few hundred votes in it, so quite plausible that there were enough folk swayed by Hancock breaking his own rules and shitting on the wife and kids to make the difference. It's nice to see the Tories not winning for once ,but as I don't see anyone that I regard as on the actual left with a chance of taking the labour leadership from Keith I'm fairly ambivalent about this short stay of execution. Unite leadership election will be the next big marker in terms of whether labour has any future as a socialist party or is condemned to become a vanilla centrist tory-lite option for a few years every couple of decades when the electorate need a rest from full on tory rule.
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The further left Labour go, the wider the smile at Tory Central Office. Your worst day in power is better than your best in opposition. Blair and Campbell knew this instinctively; hence the ditching of things like commitment to nationalisation, hence the 3 election victories.
 
johnnytapia said:
The further left Labour go, the wider the smile at Tory Central Office. Your worst day in power is better than your best in opposition. Blair and Campbell knew this instinctively; hence the ditching of things like commitment to nationalisation, hence the 3 election victories.
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Regional and national governments taking a stake in companies as part of long term strategic interests is commonplace on the continent. Germany is a very good example.

Third way politics has had its day.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Regional and national governments taking a stake in companies as part of long term strategic interests is commonplace on the continent. Germany is a very good example.

Third way politics has had its day.
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The German model on trade unionism is also very good. Less rancour, much more collegiate. Not sure on your last point, the ebbs and flows of the political optics are murder to predict!
 
johnnytapia said:
The German model on trade unionism is also very good. Less rancour, much more collegiate. Not sure on your last point, the ebbs and flows of the political optics are murder to predict!
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Because it has a self-defeating paradox at its core. In order to reverse the Tory cuts to the state (without a big plan to restructure the political economy of the country) the Labour government under Blair and Brown became reliant on collecting an ever greater share of taxes from (people working in) financial services. An industry that produces little to no value compared to most other sectors.

They became too big to fail, and were bailed out.

A financial services industry which then collected the bailouts following the global economic crisis and found a way to direct it towards thinktanks and lobbying firms to rip-up the welfare state that had just been rebuilt. All the while enriching themselves with the asset price inflation caused by quantitative easing.
 
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